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RE: So what! Atheist~Christian. Abortion. Child abuse. Feminism. Empathy. Meaning.

in #atheism7 years ago (edited)

You start by repeatedly asserting that all my opinions are to be ignored. If that's the case, I don't see the point of us having a discussion, do you?

Not only that, but there is no point to ANYTHING.
Remember, I am taking your atheistic presuppositions to their logical conclusions. It's a thought experiment. I know your presuppositions to be false, but for the sake of argument I am effectively taking on your presuppositions and assessing their logical conclusions.

Having done so, I don't see, and you have so far conceded the same, that there is any moral duty to anything, and no objective basis by which to compare competing moral claims and the moral value of various actions. So you can gripe all you want and use emotion-based words like "psychopath", "they have feelings of empathy and love and caring", "incapable of empathy", "blunt any emotional response", "you've handed over moral decision making to your leader, a bit like Nazi soldiers did in the death camps", "loss of your humanity", "automaton", "you have no respect or empathy for human beings", and such.

Just to be clear - all of that is nothing less or more than bluster. You imply that the above are negative things, yet have also said that evil doesn't exist outside of the imagination of the subjective observer. Obviously, different subjective observers disagree, including the people you decry as evil. So, how do we know who is right? I have asked you that as well, and you had no answer. I now ask you: How do we know that operating according to empathy is the correct and good and virtuous way to live life? All you can do is tell me your opinion.

Your opinion is insufficient.

I hereby present to you a better way, divesting myself of the thought experiment. In reality, Jesus Christ is Lord. I ask you now to take as a thought experiment the presupposition that Jesus is Lord, for the same purposes of internal critique for which I hypothetically took on atheistic presuppositions. Where does it lead us, considering Jesus is Lord?

The universe, and our lives, have meaning, purpose, and value.
We know objectively what is good and true.
We know objectively that, for example, raping children is bad.
We know objectively that our senses are generally reliable, that our brains are reliably geared toward producing true ideas, and that the external world exists.
We are put in our proper place in the universe - under the lordship of God, who sees and knows everything and who doesn't lie.
We are reminded to submit our perceptions and ideas to His rule because He knows more, He is the source of good and righteousness, and He never forgets nor lies. Meanwhile, we are reminded that we are able to observe <0.000000001% of the data in the universe, whereas He sees all 100%.

Given atheistic presuppositions, there is no way to assign an objective moral value or meaning to something so heinous as child rape. It just is.
Given Christian presuppositions, God has revealed in His Word that rape is evil and sinful.

Stop twisting the Bible, also. You have attempted to justify your nonsensical interpretations to impugn the Bible's quality, and even if you had some moral authority to do so (which you don't), you are still misinterpreting it badly.

Stop presuming to place yourself in a position of authority. Whether atheism or Christianity be true, in neither case are you in any position to make moral pontifications and lecture others about their empathy or lack thereof. You are but dust and ashes. Repent, therefore, and submit yourself to your Creator. Your worldview is a catastrophically self-defeating mishmash and if you die unrepentant, you will be justly and eternally condemned to suffer torment for your sin.

Any disagreement will need to grapple with the presuppositional nature of your errors. Appealing to empathy and love merely provoke more challenges that you clearly can't overcome, such as:
--Why should I or anyone, given atheistic presuppositions and the fact that we are all accidents of evolution, constituted of space dust and destined to return thereto, care about acting consistently with your ideas of empathy and love?
--What is "empathy", given atheistic presuppositions and the fact that we are all accidents of evolution, constituted of space dust and destined to return thereto?
--What is "love" and how do you know? Who told you?
--How do you know that other people exist, given atheistic presuppositions and the fact that we are all accidents of evolution, constituted of space dust and destined to return thereto?

And on and on it goes. You have nothing more than hatred and bluster, after all these posts. I pray you repent.

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