Renouncing citizenship seems pointless

in #citizenship4 years ago

Why would anyone bother to renounce "their" citizenship? I'm not going to assume you are the property of a government-- a "citizen"-- unless you publicly affirm that you are. Who would do otherwise?
How can a person renounce something they never explicitly agreed to or embraced?

If a crazy person imagines she owns me, is it necessary for me to publicly confirm that she doesn't?
If someone imagines I'm a dog, do I need to renounce my status as a dog?
If someone has gotten it into their head that I'm a brain surgeon, do I need to file papers proving I'm not one?

Now, if the crazy person is going around announcing to everyone I know that I am their slave it might inspire me to say "No, I'm not", but if the delusion exists only inside their head what is it to me until they act on it?

If someone else gets the idea that I belong to Crazy Cora or a government, or that I'm a dog, the problem is obviously theirs until or unless they act on it. Other people's craziness isn't my responsibility.

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Exactly, that's how it is. Even if the parent abandoned you or sold you as a slave (including paperwork) that does not mean you are a slave or have to undo the paperwork to become a Not-slave. You are not a slave or a citizen. End of story.

You have a fine argument there.

However, the truth is you were abandoned at birth by your parents at the hospital, and via maritime law, you were collected as salvage. (and currently traded on the stock market)

You were born within a lords jurisdiction, you are their property.

Thus, if you wish to be free of these, you have to pay the bond in full and renounce allegiance to your masters.

This is the law.

So, unless you have a bigger army, then it is really life threatening to go against the law.

And most who go against these laws aren't thrown in prison, their punishment is much worse.

Also, you probably got a social security card. And the terms of that binding are heinous... but no one even looks at that... it just normal to get the card. Because working without one is a true pain.

Who are you to say I am their property.

T.H.E.Y. do.

And T.H.E.Y. have an army.

It is why they can force you to pay income tax, although that is against the constitution.

It's all there, written down. You were just never taught anything about your real condition. You were never taught law.

BTW, the Civil War didn't free the slaves. It made everyone a slave.

They can say what they want.

By writing something down you don't make it ok. It's an illusion. Even the constitution.

Of course if you believe in pieces of paper that you know about (or don't know about) have legitimate power over you, then by believing it, you made is so.

You have no moral obligation to obey anyone in this world. That you pay your taxes because of the violence that follows does not make it legitimate.

Do you realize that you yourself, by saying that they have power over me, normalize it?

It's a mind trap.

"You were born within a lords jurisdiction, you are their property."

By whose "authority"? Who decided this is the way it is?

If you play the game by their counterfeit "rules", of course you'll be letting them win. No matter how far back you go, their claims are not based on anything but the opinions of government-supremacists. I'm not going to validate their claims. Unless I personally, with informed consent, agree to their conditions, their claims are meaningless-- regardless of how many centuries ago they "decided" this is the way it is.

Yep, now, what to do about that army?

Ima just going to wait for the govern-cement to die.
It looks like its on its last leg.

I really dislike the games they play.
Like with social security. It used to be that when you were old enough to work, you got a social security number. You COULD HAVE read the bill and knew what you were signing.

Now they get your parents to sign you up at birth.
And so many hospitals even fill in the check mark for you, not even giving you a chance to opt out.

But, according to T.H.E.M. they gave you the chance to read the contract, and so its your fault you didn't opt out.

And its (not) very surprising to me that 60 minutes hasn't done multiple episodes on the horrors found in article 666, the social security act.

About that army... People who don't follow the NAP/ZAP might deal with that issue by knowing who the troops' family members are, where they live, and by targeting them as soon as the troops start attacking. Unless those family members convincingly denounce the troops or the troops switch sides. Not nice, but it could be effective.
Governments tend to believe that a military makes them invincible, but that has never been the case.