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in #m2c8 years ago


If you haven't read, at the very least, these two books, and you call yourself an anarchist, please stop doing that.

The Conquest of Bread by P. Kropotkin

What is Anarchist Communism by A. Berkman

These two authors predate the history most of you have been allowed to know about in your indoctrination camp of a public school.


Marx=Communism, right?

If you believe that you have been misled.

Marx was a johnny come lately to the party.

Marx was adopted by tptb over Bakunin just as Ghandi was more palatable to tptb than Bhagat Singh.

You are the victim of a multi-generational attempt at controlling what you think.

What happened in Russia was not Communism.

There is a war on for your mind and if you don't seek answers outside what the dominant paradigm feeds you, you will continue to be a dupe of it.

Lucky for you, you have encountered me, and I will help you to know what you don't know that you don't know,...


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I am an unabashed anarcho-capitalist, why should I honestly dedicate any time to reading these books?

Perspective, yo. If nothing else it can help you bolster your opinions in the context of other, similar ideologies.

If nothing else, know your enemy. Don't be like Conservatives and Progressives in their little bubbles that think they know how the other side thinks.

Because you will either really become an anarchist or find a new word?
Maybe agorist, or voluntaryist?

I too was once an an-crap, but then I read these books looking for an explanation of why all the older anarchists told me I was wrong, and I was wrong.

Perhaps your intellectual honesty will lead you to find out the same about yourself.

I've read those books (and so much more I might add) and I'm still an ancap, as I don't accept the anti-hiearchical (real) anarchism. Although I did start out a communist and I'm also a cooperative agorist, so maybe I don't count.

Keep in mind, that not all so called ancaps are corporate fascists longing for the rebirth of monarchy or inconsiderate people with a phony education in economics.

So, why would you insist on maintaining a connection by self-identifying as a supporter of a philosophy that you don't support?
If you have read those books then you know that anarchism was proposed in response to crapitalism, not a co-defender.
Anarchism, in it's modern expression, began as a rejection of crapitalism.
Anarchism, as defined by the folks that wrote the books, is anti-crapitalust.

Your stance doesn't seem consistent, to me.

Are your intentions the same as those that professed Marx, and his version of communism, as the savior of us all from the evil hands of the feudal lords, but instead ruled by force even harder than those banksters calling themselves crapitalusts?
Calling themselves communist when clearly they were not?
Do you intend to appear as one thing while actually being another?
Seems deceptive to me.

When you say anti-hierarchical you have to remember that a hierarchy will exist, it just won't be able to kill you with impunity.
If I am the greatest mechanic of all time my suggestions will carry far more weight than someone's that can't tell a torque wrench from a monkey wrench.
That is just how life is.
I wouldn't want a surgeon that hasn't apprenticed his way into that position.
Anarchism seeks to take the club from the hand of those that force hierarchies on others, as I see it.

You, of course, can do as you please.
I just wonder why.

After quite some time of examining my positions very critically, I can say with a great deal of certainty that I am consistent. I know full well that anarchism is socialist and I don't call myself an anarchist.

I also don't support the current system, which is not merely capitalism but 1) a mixture of market and state 2) includes many voluntary arrangements that I would seek to get rid of, but which are not severe enought to bust up on other than voluntary grounds.

For example, "all for profit work" and "all hiearchies" are not such arrangements, but some out of both groups are. So you won't hear my complaining about "hiearchies", "profit".

Edit: Here I should point out that I think the ideology itself leads to a rejection of all hiearchies, not that it explicitly rejects them unconditionally as such.

My differences with anarchism are ideological and I often find I agree much more so with older self-identified anarchists themselves, but not as much with those of the younger generation that studied it and still support it. Syndicalist often have the same ideas as me, but with a touch more collectivism.

In fact I started out as what Marx would have called an utopic communist, having much overlap with several anarchist thinkers but ultimately abandoned the ideas for a more consistent, totalitarian and horrific approach, after which I went through many years of liberal stages.

If you want to meet well read anarcho-capitalists, most of us don't hang out on the internet or at least not in plain sight. In fact most are a bit older. We're not the usual people you find somewhere like reddit. (although I personally got myself an account there a year ago just so I could sign up at Steemit and hence met some of the strangest "ancaps" I ever heard of)

Anarchism seeks to take the club from the hand of those that force hierarchies on others, as I see it.

As flawed as I would have to consider this statement, I've had the great pleasure of working with some of you against particular hierarchies, especially since I got on Steem.

I think this will continue for quite some time, as anarcho-capitalist and anarchist communities are moving closer all the time with the current cooperative agorist wave that washes over the world. This makes me happy, because I don't think we're achieving much by cursing "the elites that control us" and wasting time talking trash on the internet.

I know full well that anarchism is socialist and I don't call myself an anarchist.

But you did just call yourself one?

I also don't support the current system,

At least we have that in common,...
Really, as long as you don't start pointing guns at me, I think you should be free to do as you please.

We're not the usual people you find somewhere like reddit.

I lasted about 15 minutes on reddit, I had to get somebody to upvote a post a year later so that I had positive karma to join Steemit.

wasting time talking trash on the internet.

We agree there, too.
Better to build the new rather than struggle against the old.

I'm not sure which part got you confused, but I don't consider anarcho-capitalism a strain of anarchism. I'm also a Cooperative agorist, not an Agorist. So no, I did not call myself an anarchist.

Let me get this straight.
You call your self an anarcho-crapitalust but deny any connection between your label and anarchism?

Sounds remotely like the Bolsheviks calling themselves communist.
It's your world.

Marx is consistently one of the least understood and most misrepresented socio-political philosophers in my opinion. Keep up the redpills and excellent book choices!

Thanks, when this all washes out they will come running trying to beat the pack.
The knowledge has been suppressed, but the internet is freeing it.
No longer do we have to browse shelves for dusty tomes, now we just pull up a pdf and the knowledge is ours.