RE: Announcing the Launch of Hive Blockchain
those who actively contributed to (and publicly declared support for) the centralization of the Steem Blockchain.
Christmas 2019: "Steem looks interesting; think I'll buy a few, power up and check back in a year. Not sure about all this witness stuff though. Think I'll just proxy to the local community account; what's the worst that could happen?"
Now's not the time to be vindictive.
We need to find ways to include people, instead of looking for reasons to exclude them.
I'd like to see everything but SINMS honoured, without any purity tests; but if the plan is to exclude balances which proxied vests to an account which voted for bad witnesses; can we at least exclude those balances who proxied before everything got ugly?
If you build your home on the bones of your enemies; don't be surprised if its haunted.
Bad choice of words imo..... I smell some bias coming along and possibly a group of pissed off Steemians/Hivens(?). There's more then a few that didn't like the softfork but that doesn't equal support for decentralization. Don't start the chain on a bad note, momentum is in your favor, keep that momentum positive.
My guess is it's for security reasons. If a blockchain is under threat of a hostile takeover, I don't think it would be wise to include the hostiles in the fork that only exists to get away from said hostiles, because that would make the new branch vulnerable to the same attack, making the new fork pointless.
Again, I'm only guessing here. Trying to see the situation from the outside, looking in, rather than basing this logic on current events and politics. It just seems like the logical thing to do.
The perceived threat comes down to one person, Justin Sun. The wording quoted makes it sound like more than the Ninja Mined stake is getting excluded from airdrop. I was just cautioning to not start the new blockchain on a bad note via excluding Steemians just because they have a different opinion to the norm on the current politics surrounding the chain.
It'll be interesting to see if folks suddenly change what they "truly value," just to get an airdrop.
Ten minutes before this post was published, they were content with their personal decision.
I love watching humanity. No names were mentioned but I bet there are a few out there nervously thinking "Are they talking about me?"
It's kind of heartbreaking though. Money does strange things to people. People need to stick to their guns though. If they value STEEM going one way that is inline with their personal beliefs, in my opinion, they should not be concerned about another blockchain tied to values they do not believe in. There's no shame in that either. People like what they like.
My guess is still for security reasons though. If I had a chance to pause time while my store is being robbed, so I could build a new store and get out of that situation, I wouldn't include the one pointing a gun at my face. Or maybe he can stay, but I'd take the gun away. The customers lying on the ground in fear; I'd keep them.
Anyway. Enjoy the drama. I think I'll just go back to watching from the sidelines now.
I agree with the majority of what you said. I haven't been following along the past couple days and with how fast things move around here that means I'm now out of the loop on current events :P For myself, I support the new chain route but I don't support a fork of Justin Sun stake from the Steem Chain.
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heard that some are already clicking the unvote button.
LOL! Yes, this is fact. I've been watching them throw away their honesty and integrity. I find it to be quite humorous.
well people are funny that way :D
If he points the gun at a customer, and tells them to empty the register, though...
He's shown himself to be a vindictive bully; if things had gone the other way, and Justin was deciding who still has stake, perhaps they didn't want to be in the crosshairs.
Irony hey :)
This entire situation has revealed almost too much about humanity.
Where I stand now, I basically just want to see results, and move forward. People have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. We're all responsible for our own decisions. The past needs to stay in the past though. I don't want to move over to another platform where everyone bitches, moans, and crams platform politics down my throat every day.
I don't even know if I have it in me to go another round. Most of the people are good and I've had a lot of fun here on Steem. The crypto element has been somewhat of a letdown. I could get shot for saying that here but it's true.
There's a lot of seemingly happy people here the last two days. I'd like to be able to join them.
You can sit over in the corner with me and draw til you feel up to more rounds. Or indefinitely, whatever works better for you ;D
Me in a corner is a recipe for disaster.
Yeah. But it is kind of like moving a party over to another house. I know it can be overwhelming but perhaps worth it in the end.
Exactly
There are accounts / persons / groups who have chosen to accept a huge delegation from Justin Sun's controlled accounts. They elected to become witnesses and actively support JS.
What do you think, should they be included in the airdrop or not?
That's not for me to decide.
Those who are creating the chain can include/exclude anyone they want.
For me, The "cleanest" ways to start a new chain would be:
(1) completely exclude the ninja mined stake and airdrop everyone else using the same format outlined in the OP.
(2) everyone starts fresh at 0 and see if its possible to get real decentralization.
I heavily prefer option 2 .......
Thanks for your opinion.
I don't see Hive as a new chain. And yes, this way we inherit the flaws. At least, we are aware of them and have the will, knowledge, energy to change / fix them. Time will tell how successful we will be.
Thanks for your responses.
I have my fingers crossed the sister chain is successful.