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RE: Universal Basic Income.

in #discussion7 years ago

People who produce will simply stop and jump on the freebie train, pool of wealth will overall be diluted and those at the top of the pile will only solidify their role in all of it.

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I share some of your concerns but the research says that people don't just jump on the freebie train and many social outcomes improve when people are helped even a little bit.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome

yup...wikipedia is such a fine resource.
you solved the problem then...it works JUST fine..
doesn't it?

The point is that most people's visceral reaction that giving everyone money will cause a massive productivity loss and create dependency is not borne out by what little evidence there it's on the subject.

productivity loss is not the issue.
all production will be automated.

He's saying that people won't stop being Productive and quite the opposite.

Detroit, Baltimore, FilthyDelphia, New Orleans and a dozen other Dhmikrat hellholes come to mind.

It simply doesn't work.
Hasn't in the past won't in the future, yeah it works fine with ants and bees; they're under phenomenal hypnosis.
Human beings act in their own interests first. It's just the way it is. Allot of people on welfare will never get off.
Honestly I don't trust anyone who says they'll keep working and contributing to a system that takes more than it's fair share out of the working mans efforts and gives it to me because I refuse to play in that game, because if I did it would be me getting short changed.
Communism can't even function at gun point.

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Yeah some people do get richarded over it's just the way it is with few exceptions namely people who game and own the system or at least have controling interest in the system; Rothschilds, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Astor, couple other old money families names I can drop. As far as the rest of us go we're not that bad off, we could live in Zimbabwe where they circulate stacks and stacks of 300M $ bank notes that aren't even worth the paper their printed on because the guy in charge didn't even take elementary economics.
Imagine that you gotta take a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy a pint of milk not only because it's all you can afford but it's all that's available and instead you get mugged for the wheelbarrow because it's a tool capable of producing, it's worth more than the milk or the piles of cash.

They got a robot that'll flip burgers now and robo barristas, while I'm sure they'd have come out eventually the straw that broke the camels back was the non skilled labor demanding by force what wasn't due to them.

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There's essentially only two ways to pay for things.
This is a thought I had a few days ago.
Work and the products of such, and sex.
Prostitution is illegal most places, yeah disease morality all of that; no, no trickin' is illegal because it cheapens, as well as cheats decent hard work.
Now you can say that that's work too and I'll give a little to that, but anyone willing to debase themselves for cash would probably do so just for popularity or fun.

Now back to the UBI more currency at less work; it's as simple as that. Businesses in places like Seattle are folding under the fight for fifteen, this is even after layoffs and people being expected to do the work of at least two or more people.
Some of these people loosing their jobs were already making $11-12/hour but now their out a job because someone demanded more for less.

If you want more, get more marketable skills, get an actual education, or simply move on to something else; I'm sorry but flipping burgers at McDonalds isn't worth 15

Anyway my keyboard's messing up and this is one quagmire I won't get sucked any further into.

What about luck? Games of chance? Is that Work? Lmao, ethics with someone that is a fucking idiot.

"It's simple as that". Good hypothetical bro.