RE: DTube opens a witness node on STEEM
1- STEEM has never been centralized. Even when 20 sock puppets entered the top 20, STEEM remained decentralized. Steem has a backup witness solution, meaning that even if those 20 sock puppets nodes suddently crashed, the network would have kept on running, and was therefore still decentralized.
What? You might as well say everything is nothing. You don't understand the meaning of the word centralized.
DELETE the coins of 300+ accounts who supported JS when forking to HIVE, about 30% of the total supply.
Nothing was deleted, a new network was created sans the balances used to necessitate the creation of that network. Nobody was owed anything on this new chain. If Steem fails because of the irresponsibility of these Steem stakeholders, they don't get a parachute to Hive. You bought it, don't break it. But that's just what those irresponsible stakeholders voted to do. It's not everyone else's responsibility to teach them (or you for that matter) what a decentralized blockchain is.
Nothing was deletedThe fact is that 300+ members arbitrarily were removed from your 'airdrop', and the old STEEM/SP/SBD on your chain is still there, but inaccessible. You can maybe fool others with words like that, not me.
What part of new network don't you get? It's created out of nothing. Nobody on Steem was or is owed anything.
How come HIVE still has 4 years worth of contents that were posted on STEEM, as well as all the accounts that were created on STEEM?
The first 41M blocks of your chain, are coming from the STEEM blockchain. Your blockchain exists because STEEM was there before. Without STEEM, Hive wouldn't be there.
So how can it be 'created out of nothing'?
If everyone in a room has a blue rock, and I give half of the people in the room a red rock, I did not steal a red rock from the other half.
Airdrops often have qualifications to get them, Sign up for this, like this, register here. Hive had qualifications too.
Nonsense, it was created with the Steem Blockchain and every single person who had a stake on that blockchain . lol
And accounts were plundered for the purpose of enriching themselves minimizing their need to make any financial investment.
If no Hive was in their accounts, how could we delete nothing?
"arbitrarily (on the basis of random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system)" is a complete inaccuracy, there was a specific check that indiscriminately created that list.
It is just another example of how corrupt the most of the original ninja miners are.
Its good to know that you have no moral compass.
@pfunk It is shameful plunder for the boys.
How do you think @steemchiller and others feel about being ripped off like that?
No you don't, and you have zero arguments so far. Go back to your fork now.
a new network was created sans the balances used
OUECH GROS T ES UN FRANCAIS QUI UTILISE GOOGLE TRADUCTION ?
English borrows words. One of the advantages of not having a centralized authority in control of language. It's part of the reason English is the new lingua franca, to borrow another romance phrase. :)
No problem. You are one of the only witnesses who has always been there who has been rather redistributor. But unfortunately, you have been there too long to understand that you have created a caste with undue annuities. It is the opposite of capitalism.
You know, we are French and the discourse of the common good and preferable censorship in this sense there, we understand it. But I doubt that the TOP 20 of witness steem are in this ideology.
You have decided unilaterally to freeze accounts. This is contrary to the central idea of blockchain. All this because the wind has turned for you ... Honestly apart from all the other points, on this point, you have lost all credibility.
I'm even talking about the fact that HIVE is a registered trademark ... amateur work.
Hive is not a registered trademark the same way that hair or pencil is not. It is just a common word in english. The trademark is for HIVE Blockchain Technologies LTD not Hive. Legally you cannot own a common word in any language. They have no case.
This reminds me of when McDonalds (the fast food restaurant) tried to sue someone in Scotland for using their familly name to refer to their estate. Suffice to say that didn't go well for McDonalds (the fast food chain).
EDIT: actually the case I was referring to was in the state of Illinois.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_legal_cases
Honesty do you know? creating a blockchain with a large community on an existing name is a mistake. Final point.
Agreed, Steem was a stupid name, was super confusing to people who though we were talking about Steam
Don't use disputed names. I will give you a good name. "pupa"
This name is still centralized. Because I am loyal to the queen bee. A good name to write instead of "hive".
Oh, this is what I'm really worried about. I'm not making fun of you.
Hi there
I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.
Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.
I am moving to hive, I started my powerdown on steem a few hours ago. Although I will always have my steem account so I could use it in the future.
Big Thx for your reply. I think i will stick around on both chains for time being.
I also figured that you may find this post interesting and worth your time:
https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/project-hope-curation-trail-on-both-chains-steem-and-new-hive
It's post published by good friend of mine and I'm helping him to promote their curation trail.
In American culture, using french words for no reason whatsoever in the middle of the sentence makes you appear more cultured...
Like doctors and lawyers? Educated, maybe. Not cultured.
un gros fdp quoi !!!
Exactement :D Il m'a dit dans le stack un jour que 22K$ par an (ce que gagnent les witness) ca ne pouvait etre qu'un revenu 'complémentaire'. Hahaha putain d'americain de merde
The real hard fork is when all investors get the coin, in this case, they didn't do it for those who invested money in Steem and cheated the community. This means that they can always deceive the HIVE community when one threatens their centralized interests. They brand themselves as fake crypto dev and fork all over the world.
I don't believe HIVE because they cheated on me and stole my HIVE coin. I am 100% loyal to the real decentralized Steem platform and Steem blockchain. @dtube Thank you for telling us the truth.
P.S. This is not community fork See details - Hard Fork is planned without community in in secret!!!
Hive is real, that's plainly obvious.
Honestly, I don't think any perspective is wrong on this. It really comes down to what you think the role of witnesses is.
From my perspective, the community voted witnesses forked in secret, but they did it on the communities behalf. They were elected officials who, arguably, were cheated out of their role. We can debate semantics, like whether a verbal contract of "The Steemit Inc. funds are only to be used to fund development, not vote" should have been taken as law or not, but this all comes down to ones philosophy.
Personally, I think the Hive team did what they honestly believe is in the best interest of the ecosystem. I believe dtube is also acting in what they believe is the best interest for the system. Justin Sun is the only actor here who I think has not acted in the interest of STEEM or the codebase/ecosystem STEEM represents.
You have my vote @dtube. Thank you for integrating HIVE into your platform so quickly, and thank you for choosing to be a witness and keep STEEM alive. Whether STEEM is decentralized or centralized depends on whether we can keep 4-5 genuine witnesses in the top 20. I would like for 16+ to be genuine, but 4-5 lets us know the chain itself will be kept alive without any funny business. From there, those 4-5 witnesses would get to choose which Steemit Inc. upgrades are worth keeping and keep them in line. If that can be achieved, there is hope for STEEM yet.