I enjoyed the duality of these two posts, as it raises the question of what a person's reasoning that leads to proving. Unironically I feel that this piece proved something amazing.
It's not what you do, but why that matters.
There is a negative association with; "having to prove" to others. I don't know much, but I love trying to prove to myself rather than others. I feel that most learning takes place when we prove ourselves wrong.
A part of me believes that if I can prove myself to me, then the point can and will be made at some point futher down without forcing yourself or others c:
Great write up - always a difficult task to exchange a teaching/learning moment as sharing right ideas instead of the want to feed our ego at that time. It's awesome when we cross paths with folks that are on the level.
Conversations move quickly and progress towards a better ideal comes much quicker.
With the intention to compassionately guide, the way you'd approach someone is completely different than part 1, there wouldn't be any forcing of our beliefs. It seems to me even intention wouldn't necessitate any true change from the other person. They'd still need to be open to another perspective or put in a position where they need to find the answers themselves.
People don't understand or accept new answers until they prove it to themselves. Knowledge is not wisdom, words aren't experiences. THat's why I see most good teachers asking questions or pointing in directions and asking the other person to see what they find for themselves.
At least that's how I've changed my mind about things, rarely can someone just tell me something and I believe them at face value. I might trust them enough to test it for myself, to explore the viewpoint and see what I think. Maybe I just haven't run into someone who I think has true wisdom, who I can feel is genuine and truly knows.
i'm going to follow you because i love your response! I definitely agree and think that there is art to conversation and spreading ideas - or proving a concept to someone... and before you know how open the person is, tread carefully, or they might shut the door locked before you even have the chance to come in.
To pay forward lessons, such that they may shorten others' learning curves.
I like to think that this is what I am striving for. I like to think that it doesn't matter what others think. And to a great extent, it is true. However, the underlying desire for approval is so deeply ingrained in my family tapestry, that it may take generations to weave its way out.
Acknowledging this doesn't make me a pessimist. On the contrary, an optimist see opportunity for growth and above all else I long to grow, to learn, to truly know myself well enough that I don't question my true intentions anymore.
Thank you for that little gem. I love how sometimes just one line can inspire an entire introspective monologue.
Exactly. Unconditional Love means Acceptance and Acceptance creates Harmony. We all have free choice of expression. Proving a point implies levels, differences and comparison. " Is this true or that?" You decide: will I develop my own sense of Truth and create accordingly or will I latch onto others' Truth and create accordingly? Both ways are equally valid, yet the former is going the path of Self-responsibility while the latter will embark on the path of victimhood, eventually entailing blaming others for our misery, " I didn't want that in the first place". Thanks for your great reminder!:)
We prove a point for so many reasons, and to add to the list at times for ego sake, for the fact that people at times tries to prove a point to justify that they are more than what people deem them to be
Proving a point just to shorten other people's learning curves can boost the community as a whole in my opinion.. allowing people to jump ahead and spend time learning from the proven point as a starting point.
I'm actually glad i read the first part first, and didn't stumble on this one first.... cause i would nod in a silent approval, and that would be it. ;)
I definitely lean more towards sharing information (proving points), rather than keeping it to myself, because i also demand the same from others.
People often defend their ideas as if they are part of their identity and well-being (and to some extent it is true in their perception). But ideas need to be challenged or they (and we) can't evolve - they adapt to the friendly environment of a complacent mind and thrive while simultaneously stagnating.
But you know what, your words, or something of the same vein, should be presented before making any attempt to change someone's mind, because it is often the attitude we bring to the table that gets rejected not the knowledge. So i think it is really important to educate ourselves on how to educate others.
Generally, people cannot be convinced against what they already believe. If the intention is to influence, teach and mentor, then we must be willing to let people experience what we want them to understand through our own actions. Attempts to hasten the process may meet stiff opposition from the people we are trying to teach. And who knows what is right? We do not have the ability to see the complicated relationship between events and the result that it would eventually yield in the future. Who know? The student may turn out to be right.
I enjoyed the duality of these two posts, as it raises the question of what a person's reasoning that leads to proving. Unironically I feel that this piece proved something amazing.
It's not what you do, but why that matters.
There is a negative association with; "having to prove" to others. I don't know much, but I love trying to prove to myself rather than others. I feel that most learning takes place when we prove ourselves wrong.
A part of me believes that if I can prove myself to me, then the point can and will be made at some point futher down without forcing yourself or others c:
The world of thoughts is an interesting place.
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Great write up - always a difficult task to exchange a teaching/learning moment as sharing right ideas instead of the want to feed our ego at that time. It's awesome when we cross paths with folks that are on the level.
Conversations move quickly and progress towards a better ideal comes much quicker.
Thanks for sharing, as always
I am not.
We are.
What I want is not us.
Serve and you will be served.
Nearly 100% of the time you will never convince anyone they are wrong be imposing your opinions.
Instead you should embrace their point of view...because maybe it is you that is wrong.
Or maybe there is no right and wrong. There only is what is. Now.
With the intention to compassionately guide, the way you'd approach someone is completely different than part 1, there wouldn't be any forcing of our beliefs. It seems to me even intention wouldn't necessitate any true change from the other person. They'd still need to be open to another perspective or put in a position where they need to find the answers themselves.
People don't understand or accept new answers until they prove it to themselves. Knowledge is not wisdom, words aren't experiences. THat's why I see most good teachers asking questions or pointing in directions and asking the other person to see what they find for themselves.
At least that's how I've changed my mind about things, rarely can someone just tell me something and I believe them at face value. I might trust them enough to test it for myself, to explore the viewpoint and see what I think. Maybe I just haven't run into someone who I think has true wisdom, who I can feel is genuine and truly knows.
i'm going to follow you because i love your response! I definitely agree and think that there is art to conversation and spreading ideas - or proving a concept to someone... and before you know how open the person is, tread carefully, or they might shut the door locked before you even have the chance to come in.
Ya, the art of conversation isn't really talked about! Thanks for the follow, I'll check your blog out!
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To pay forward lessons, such that they may shorten others' learning curves.
I like to think that this is what I am striving for. I like to think that it doesn't matter what others think. And to a great extent, it is true. However, the underlying desire for approval is so deeply ingrained in my family tapestry, that it may take generations to weave its way out.
Acknowledging this doesn't make me a pessimist. On the contrary, an optimist see opportunity for growth and above all else I long to grow, to learn, to truly know myself well enough that I don't question my true intentions anymore.
Thank you for that little gem. I love how sometimes just one line can inspire an entire introspective monologue.
Exactly. Unconditional Love means Acceptance and Acceptance creates Harmony. We all have free choice of expression. Proving a point implies levels, differences and comparison. " Is this true or that?" You decide: will I develop my own sense of Truth and create accordingly or will I latch onto others' Truth and create accordingly? Both ways are equally valid, yet the former is going the path of Self-responsibility while the latter will embark on the path of victimhood, eventually entailing blaming others for our misery, " I didn't want that in the first place". Thanks for your great reminder!:)
We prove a point for so many reasons, and to add to the list at times for ego sake, for the fact that people at times tries to prove a point to justify that they are more than what people deem them to be
Proving a point just to shorten other people's learning curves can boost the community as a whole in my opinion.. allowing people to jump ahead and spend time learning from the proven point as a starting point.
I'm actually glad i read the first part first, and didn't stumble on this one first.... cause i would nod in a silent approval, and that would be it. ;)
I definitely lean more towards sharing information (proving points), rather than keeping it to myself, because i also demand the same from others.
People often defend their ideas as if they are part of their identity and well-being (and to some extent it is true in their perception). But ideas need to be challenged or they (and we) can't evolve - they adapt to the friendly environment of a complacent mind and thrive while simultaneously stagnating.
But you know what, your words, or something of the same vein, should be presented before making any attempt to change someone's mind, because it is often the attitude we bring to the table that gets rejected not the knowledge. So i think it is really important to educate ourselves on how to educate others.
Generally, people cannot be convinced against what they already believe. If the intention is to influence, teach and mentor, then we must be willing to let people experience what we want them to understand through our own actions. Attempts to hasten the process may meet stiff opposition from the people we are trying to teach. And who knows what is right? We do not have the ability to see the complicated relationship between events and the result that it would eventually yield in the future. Who know? The student may turn out to be right.
Insightful and thought-provoking. Thanks.