yes I agree these would be very long term long shot cryptos because they both have a long way to go and they both have huge supply so the price rise will be slow and out to years from now. I don't feel I have time for that in terms of my retirement fund so I'm going with established low supply coins like Bitcoin and Litecoin. Having said that if I was 20 yrs younger I would definitely throw some expendable cash on these two great ideas