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RE: DLive is joining the Lino blockchain, moving away from Steem
Pretty terrible to take a Steemit delegation to build a business to leave the Steem ecosystem...
Pretty terrible to take a Steemit delegation to build a business to leave the Steem ecosystem...
The Steem blockchain is much bigger than Dlive. It was fun while it lasted indeed...but soon we will have a replacement. Its really sad because this will confuse many who don't see the bigger picture. #STEEM
Agreed, DLive wasn't even that essential to the Steem ecosystem lately; and there's not even a need for a replacement since DTube already has a live streaming function. More free SP to be delegated to new projects, at least. :)
But I cannot watch my older Dtube videos because those videos didn't make enough money and you may see the videos but they will not load as they were removed after a few weeks or so it seems.
Yep. None of the die-hard Dtube guys seem to want to address this.
Thank you for commenting. Upvoted. You can see that @tombstone downvoted my comments related to this, which pulled down my reputation from 55 to 51 this week which discourage me, a filmmaker, a photographer, a world traveler, to post on Steemit, to talk about things, to be honest about issues, like you said.
we can look at VIMM
I literally spoke with the dev of that 2 days ago....they have something legit going on there....
They also have designed it so you can join with or without an account on our blockchain...opening the door for us to bring new users into our community.
What is VIMM?
Something with way more class than dlive. Too bad for dLive that 50,000 pissed of steem bloggers and streamers are about to decimate the traitor bandits in the news ;)
I hear second hand their discord channel has gone bonkers and that the death threats have already started up in earnest.
To removed your content from dLive before they steal your personal property and move it to another chain database without your consent, log in and edit/delete each one. They are not offering a way currently to wholesale remove your content. You can also use third party tools to download the content, and a post is going to be made by a concerned user in a community I am in, which will outline the way to find the direct storage link and download your prior content using tools like VLC player.
No one is preventing you from removing your content.
Yes, we know that, and that is why you will leave here to an unknown, incomplete, unused chain, with NOTHING left from here, like content or users or credibility. Have a nice day.
I was in there with you, and I feel @chiren is really approachable. Future is bright for vimm
#fuckdlive Now I see what they did. Haha they pulled the same shit that vuilly project did in the past. Just in reverse.... So why not be honest and say in the post that you guys ran an ICO?
Remember Vice and their steem airdrop?
Agreed, with or without Dlive doens't really matter for Steem blockchain, many are using them not because they love vlogging or streaming, they use DLive only for the rewards I guess. DTube and vimm are already there for live streaming too.
@vimm is a pretty good Dlive alternative
DTube is already a replacement alternative with DTV...
Not with that 25% cut it's not.
I can't watch my older Dtube videos.
VIMM is here and I think @dtube has incorporated live-streaming as well. That should ease us a bit. Brands come and go, but the major ideas stick behind. Even though they started live streaming on the blockchain, they won't be the last to do so, and won't even be the greatest to do so anymore.
Dtube has problems.
Can not agree more!
Dtube offers streaming so I feel the Steem Blockchain is going to be nothing but stronger my good friend. This platform has a chance to change the world and break down barriers, they are takin ga big risk stepping away. Steemit will live on =)
I can't load my older Dtube videos.
Me 2. So what?
Well said @thejohalfiles !! :)
I think it's great news/warning for steem stakeholders, to see and hear community requests. If they think bid-bots, self-votes, angry whales will attract investors but not dapps (if they don't support them enough), well we'll see how it goes. I think every dApp should pursue its goals and look for better solutions. I don't think dLive is happy with this change but we can't blame the team at all.
And I think they already brought enough value/people compared to the delegation they had. Other dApps should think about moving to steem (this money generating blockchain with zero transaction fees and almost instant transactions.) However we are witnessing to opposite why? maybe our stakeholders have a short vision, unfortunately.
We already have a handful of successful dApps around here, if we lose a few more...
I tried dLive once, my upload speed wasn't efficient enough and I know dTube is going to support live streaming. Or someone else can work on a live streaming dApp on steem but if nothing is going to change, results won't change either.
One flag would've been enough buddy, thanks for approving my point.
"if they don't support them enough" you say, do you really think a million SP delegation isn't enough? lol.
It's a good thing they're gone then, more attention for DTUBE, and more SP for new DAPPS as my friend @guyfawkes4-20 said
I wasn't talking about steemit inc's delegation but other ones who invests in bid-bots and try to get some ROI by self-votes. From my point of view dApps will save this blockchain. Everyone cheering about SMTs, what's SMT? a tool for dApps, hivemind? niche networks... That's the only future for steem, or there will always be alternative chains.
Steem is lucky to be a frontier but that's all, it was even luckier when koreans decided to pump it.
Yeah what if dTube decides to move to another chain, will you support them as you do today?
edit, sorry I forgot to answer your question properly, yes apparently a million SP wasn't enough for them to stay here.
Yeah, @wa7 is clearly part of the Lino team, and after reading this whole post, with their free 100 "Points," this just seems like a cheap attempt to steal away Steemians.
You can always grab those points and use them to buy Steem. ;)
Huh, yeah, if they would have any value. :)
It will certainly be interesting to see how Lino tokens will stack up among all the other coins out there. I'm sure it will have some value, here's hoping I can get 1 Steem for it. :P
I say, their chances of succeeding (becoming at least one of the top 50 tokens) are not that big. All the crypto people are already using Steem to post their clips on the blockchain, why migrate to another platform.
And even if Steemians go on their video platform, they will probably just end up taking the price, and buy back into Steem, or even fiat.
Their only chance is to hit the Asian market.
Lol they aren't worth anything
How can a small group of devs "steal" anyone? You're free to come and go as you please, as are they.
Of course, everybody's free to come and go as they please. DLive surely got bought to move, and probably for a substantial sum of money since they were already doing great over here. Why not use both chains? Because they are part of the Lino team.
They can leave but, the way they leave seems just like a slap in the face to the blockchain that put them on the map. Why give away 100 Points? Because you need new users and are trying to acquire/steal them from here.
But yeah, maybe you are right, a handful of devs can't steal away Steemians to a new testnet platform because, with all its problems, Steem is still the best social-media blockchain out there, and the industry standard at the moment. Thus, who would leave it for something non-existent? :)
I'm willing to test the waters on this new endeavor of theirs. I am nor ever was exclusive to @DLive or #STEEM, but I believe that both will be successful on their own accounts. I'm a streamer, and I still do the occasional stream on twitch, of course it's not primarily for the money or that twitch has all the bells and whistles, it's to show my audience there are better alternatives like DLive. I also blog, and a majority of my posts are oriented towards life as a streamer, so even after DLive pulls out and blows their wad in a younger, prettier, less experienced partner, I'll still be blogging on @Steempeak.
Its because they can be on both chains, it's not as if they have cooties all of a sudden and the community will forever shun them, even though the thoughtform of "Steem loyalty" cannot fathom such alternatives.
Two Million In Delegations from Steemit. Yep. Theft of users and using us to fund their startup, intentionally planning to then go take 20 Million from the next hotty.
In marriages, it's not called "theft", it's called domestic abuse and adultry.
I know we dont always agree, but I have to say you pretty well nailed it this time.
Even a broken clock ;)
LOLZ!
Wheres the covenant or in this case the contract? In reality, Theft doesn't exist when you talk about delegation, what is delegated isn't taken, it was given.
You don't look old enough to have been in business or tech very long, and the knife in your mouth also tells me some basic kindergarten knife safety lessons were overlooked, but google "collusion" and "The story of the Trojan Horse", thanks for your input though. ;)
Yeah because this had anything to do with "the knife " in my mouth and not everything to do with these two facts:
They can't "steal" users.
Nothing was contracted, nobody made vows either.
The Trojan horse, good one, skipping right along from "adultery" to "collusion". Hilarious.
Yeah, it is pretty bad, like a divorce.
Yes, they can be on both chains but, obviously, they don't want that since they are leaving Steem for good, their delegation is already removed.
But that's good; if they don't want us, it's better that they are leaving now than, leaving when we're huge. :D
Hmm, but I was talking about us users being on both chains..
Sorry, my bad in that case.
Yeah, users can use both chains, it is already happening, that's not such a huge issue, necessarily.
But, people didn't just used DLive for their service but, for the chain they were operating on. A lot of people became video content creators after the launch of DTube, and eventually DLive because they saw an opportunity in doing so since they could've got rewarded in Steem.
People were also able to stream on Twitch it's same as DLive, probably better as technology but, many of them never did it since it's not Steem.
DLive developed their tech here, with the resources we provided, and are now leaving with to another chain, and that is the reason people are mad.
They are mad because they feel cheated, they feel cheated because they think "they stole all these resources " but clearly if everything was given without expectations there wouldn't be an entitlement over dlives lack of "loyalty" to a website, and since it wasn't given without those strings attached good on them for being mad, next time maybe when something is given it won't be disingenuous, maybe they won't share shit next time, we shall see because this might be the much needed catalyst which addresses the concerns that Dlive has mentioned which remain without any reassurance for ever being addressed, the joke of "we'll cross that bridge when we get there" as we're neck deep in water..
Yep, some people don't understand the principle of cause-and-effect. This decision will follow their business and negatively affect their reputation permanently. ¯\ _(ツ) _/¯ Seems like a bad idea in the long term.
I can only imagine what incredible things you and Yaba would achieve with that kind of delegation.
∞§∞Truth∞§∞
This was also my thoughts. Some other questions I am asking myself is: What will happen with all the SP and why not simply create a platform on both chains.
Probably a big chunk of that SP will now go to DTube because there will be an increasing demand for curation on their DApp since all the DLive users will migrate over there.
They could've easily kept their service for both chains but, since they are leaving, it is obvious that they got bought.
In the german discord I also learned about @vimm another video platform here on steemit.
I imagine they will use their capital to give power to their new project in lino.
Their sp is pennies compared to Lino's ICO
:o
Amen.
How can they "take" a delegation?
That’s easy. People delegated steem power to them to help them with their dapp, I mean Capp. They used that delegation to earn steem which they are pocketing and taking to another blockchain.
Trevon is spot on. I have had dms with their main dev he didn't even understand what a peer was and why it's important to host files in different locations Clive centralize live.
All those precious pennies that are going to be "cashed" out. O gawd, save the pennies!
Can you prove that Lino is centralized?
Pennies compared to lino's ico and I doubt it covered server costs.