This is How @oracle-d Abuses its Steemit Delegation: Voting 37 Obviously Plagiarized @threespeak Videos by the Same Account in 2 Months + Video Plagiarism Case # 2-37 - Caso de Plagio Videográfico #2-37 @theultimatefood

flaws (72) 5 years ago

Don't you think the title is exaggerated? Not to defend oracle-d, but, if the curation is done by a bot or something similar, you can simply report the user on the respective 3speak server (or by contacting one of its administrators in private).

It is not the first time that something like this happens with a project here and it has not been necessary to make a post saying that they abuse the amount of SP they have.

I have no doubt that you are doing an excellent job, but you are making a project look bad that has built a good reputation over time, oracle-d has done incredible initiatives before and, I am sure they will continue to do an incredible job.

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago (edited)

Don't you think the title is exaggerated?

No, I dont think its an exaggeration, it might even happen to be an understatement, since the title assumes this is not intentional.

if the curation is done by a bot or something similar

It is irrelevant in this case how the curation is conducted, whats important here is that a project that supposedly onboards youtubers to steem has to verify them before starting to curate them, if that is not done it is clear and outright negligence, at least.

you can simply report the user on the respective 3speak server (or by contacting one of its administrators in private).

As said below we tried that before publishing this but didn't have access to that server or the admins at the time.

It is not the first time that something like this happens with a project here

Well, in so far as we are concerned, and we have a lot of experience in antiabuse, this is the first time a project with Steemit delegation votes this many plagiarized post by the same user in a span of 2 months, please illustrate me if you know of any other case.

and it has not been necessary to make a post saying that they abuse the amount of SP they have.

This is not about the amount of SP, and they don't actually have it, that's why its called a delegation, the issue is the stewardship of a large Steemit delegation such as this. Perhaps you dont think its necessary because your oracle-d writing assignment requires you not to... but yes, it is necessary to shine light on abuses of this magnitude and gravity.

but you are making a project look bad that has built a good reputation over time, oracle-d has done incredible initiatives before and, I am sure they will continue to do an incredible job.

We are not making Oracle-d look bad, the facts perhaps are, not to mention the response of the system admin shown in the post, which in all likelihood is the most honest of the ones we have received so far.

Thank you for your feedback.

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flaws (72) 5 years ago

This is How @oracle-d abuses its Steemit Delegation

That's an exaggeration (IMO).

whats important here is that a project that supposedly onboards youtubers to steem has to verify them before starting to curate them

I understand your point, but I still don't see the abuse of their Steem delegation. Curation projects, big users, projects like OD (YooDoo currently) can make mistakes upvoting plagiarized posts and, if nobody reports them, they probably won't notice because there are more important things to develop. Don't get me wrong, the things they upvote are important too, but that's why we are a community, to HELP, not to make a post accusing of abuse and to publish private conversations

please illustrate me if you know of any other case

First of all: No, this is not the first time and I know that you have worked with such projects, I don't want to think that you are lying to me, but just think about it and now tell me if OD is really "abusing" the amount of SP they have (whether it is theirs or not, if it is "abuse" it would still be the same thing)

I don't want to give names of other projects because that would directly get me into trouble, which I obviously don't want.

but yes, it is necessary to shine light on abuses of this magnitude and gravity.

No Jaguar, that's not necessary. You know why? Because you're not seeing Steem as a community. You're just here to identify what's "wrong" and automatically want to show that it's wrong.

Everyone here knows that oracle-d has done a good job all this time, now it seems too stupid to say that they are "abusing" the amount of SP they have by upvoting a user who only plagiarizes, I don't think anyone with any sense would do that stupid thing. Is a post really necessary? Is it really necessary to publish private conversations? You're saying you don't make OD look bad, but why publish private conversations? What's the point?

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, have a good day.

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flaws (72) 5 years ago

Same to you, bud. Have an amazing year start 🧡

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anthonyadavisii (70) 5 years ago

In their defense, they did take action on the last one I reported but yes, def looks like the curation could be tightened up. I wouldn't necessarily characterize it as "abuse" but rather would suggest they could be better stewards of the delegating SteemPower.

I'm sure they will continue to take action to remedy this issue but it's good that you shine a light on the plagiarizing users!

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starkerz (65) 5 years ago

Again, another example of poor journalistic integrity. It would have been better if you just came to our discord or telegram to point this out first so that we could explain our plans to rectify / improve the curation accuracy.

We will be putting in a verification process shortly to prove the user is who thy say they are. Currently we have one, but it is manual and behind schedule some times.

We will also be limiting the amount of upvotes that a user can receive each week.

Additionally, we hope we can work with you and others like you in a less hostile manner to find plagiarism. It is difficult to do this accurately in video format as opposed to text format.

We look forward to seeing you in our discord

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3 votes

lordbutterfly (70) 5 years ago (edited)

You cant work with Jaguar. lol. He just blabbers what ever comes to mind without thinking.
Hes like a natural disaster.
That being said, you should be more responsible with your stake.
If we ever hit a new bull run everything you distribute today will be worth 10-100x more.

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acidyo (80) 5 years ago

What u mean if ? ಠ_ಠ

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8 votes

lordbutterfly (70) 5 years ago

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago

Again, another example of poor journalistic integrity. It would have been better if you just came to our discord or telegram to point this out first so that we could explain our plans to rectify / improve the curation accuracy.

We did try going to your Discord server to report this but apparently were banned at that server, so I find your suggestion intellectually dishonest, hypocritical or uninformed.

We will be putting in a verification process shortly to prove the user is who thy say they are. Currently we have one, but it is manual and behind schedule some times.

If you werent able to verify not even the top 20 authors most rewarded by the platform.... then what can I say?. You should also adopt a process involving the use of common sense, since its selfevident 2 miles away the user is a fake.

Additionally, we hope we can work with you and others like you in a less hostile manner to find plagiarism. It is difficult to do this accurately in video format as opposed to text format.

We look forward to cooperating with you in antiabuse operations.

We look forward to seeing you in our discord

Sure, no problem, just unbann user Jaguar.Force#7300 and we'll be there.

Cheers.

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starkerz (65) 5 years ago

You did. It try to report this in discord. You have only just joined it. Please in future, report items such as this in discord. If you can’t get a reasonable answer from us, then feel free to post on steem.

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago (edited)

Pay attention, we did try but couldn't because we were banned at that server,
did you get that now? Good. Yes now we were able to join the channel, thank you for the grand privilege of allowing us to help you.
We just reported further intelligence on extensive abuse of 3Speak to you via DM, since we can now message you. So lets see what the reasonable response is, what you mean by working together and how much you value our work and efforts.

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starkerz (65) 5 years ago

I think the tone you are using here is highly inappropriate. It doesn't lend itself to a cooperative relationship. You always had access to DM me or the discord. Sorry if you disagree. The Walden account was banned from the oracle-d discord since we were blackmailed via this account, but the jaguar force account has always been able to contact me, and never tried until yesterday.

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago (edited)

No tone policing please, thank you.
Yes, I agree Walden is a great book, you should read it,
I also like ravioli and sunsets. Anyway moving back into the actual subject, there in your DM inbox you have additional extensive intelligence of massive abuse of 3Speak, which in the spirit of the cooperation you proposed Im submitting to you in private. Once again, lets see your reasonable response and what you mean by working together.

Additionally, I see this in your discord channel:

So we would love to see your system of incentives/bounties to report plagiarism directly to you in action.

If this is not just talk and you are really interested in getting rid of scamming in 3Speak, we are more than willing and able to help you achieve it.

Looking forward to your response.

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starkerz (65) 5 years ago

Sounds good. Will be in touch in Dms

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago (edited)

Cool, try not to take all week, we dont have that much patience. Who does?

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enforcer48 (68) 5 years ago

!dramatoken

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luegenbaron (64) 5 years ago

lol that still exists xd

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enforcer48 (68) 5 years ago

Apparently, yes.

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jlsplatts (68) 5 years ago

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likwid (70) 5 years ago

This post earned a total payout of 17.511$ and 13.166$ worth of author reward which was liquified using @likwid. To learn more.

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epic-fail (59) 5 years ago (edited)

no excuse for not fighting and finding plagiarism. How many active members does 3Speak have and how many are consistent posters? If it's very few then it would follow the same people are getting votes and at the same time your analysis does bring up some valid points to look into further. Great detective work !

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enforcer48 (68) 5 years ago

It doesn't matter. Everyone knows there will be fish that falls through the net. The problem comes when they just shrug it off.

The same thing we tell people like @vancouverdining: if we find questionable stuff and you refuse to address it, then you are a piece of shit.

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9 votes

starkerz (65) 5 years ago

No shrugging. We are putting methods in place to improve this. So far we have used the stake to encourage large you tubers to post to steem. As we are growing, we need to adjust our curation system slightly so that these types of videos do it fall through the net

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago

So far we have used the stake to encourage large you tubers to post to steem.

A central and basic part of onboarding large youtubers to steem is, as you might surmise, verifying that it is actually the youtuber and not a scammer....

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starkerz (65) 5 years ago

Yes correct. How insightful. We have been doing until now manually. The creator in question is one we had not got to yet

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jaguar.force (72) 5 years ago (edited)

The ("creator"!!!!) in question is your number 20th most rewarded user in the last 2 months, if you were just to logically prioritize the verification in the order of reward volumes (as per having a top rewarded user be a scammer is way worse than a marginal user) you would have gotten to it pretty quick. I mean, how much work does it take to verify a user? we do it all the time, it takes less than 15 minutes of work per user, you could have verified your top 20 users by rewards in 5 hours of work. I understand that every part of VP you dont use of that generous delegation is money you lose in curation and in the 10% bene, and that so you have to vote something, and I think that considering the time it would have taken to make these verifications (5 hours max) it becomes very interesting to consider the potential reasons why they were not.

Is it perhaps that it is in your interest not only to vote something and not waste any VP but also give the appearance of voting quality content and that that is why these verification inadvertences happen?

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freebornangel (73) 5 years ago

!dramatoken

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wehmoen (68) 5 years ago (edited)

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epic-fail (59) 5 years ago

wow, almost to 1,000. Very good job ! Keep up the hard work to grow and keep quality content!!

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