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RE: A cold reality: we are not ready for the upcoming ice age

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In a word: automation. The advent of AI and robotics eliminates the political need for millions of eaters to support wealth.

Consider the goals of the .01%. They enjoy robust nature. They find their lovely estates being encroached on by hungry people that slash and burn it for agriculture, poach the neat animals for food, and jam the traffic while they are on the way to the disco for a night of debauchery and degeneracy.

The poor are lowering their standard of living.

It's also mischaracterizing the issue to consider why nations would do this. This is a globalist - transnational - policy, not based on any national interest. A given nation has greater military power if it has a larger population of cannon fodder. The politicians of a given nation thus have an incentive to grow their populations.

Not only does automation and military killbots change this equation, but globalists have no national loyalties, and thus no interest in the strength of any nation. All nations are obsolete for their purposes, and thus they are globalists, not nationalists.

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Hi @valued-customer, @minismallholding (Im adding you only so you could share your view on this comment)

In a word: automation.

Automation is indeed a reason why there is less jobs, but it still doenst explain why goverments would like to reduce population as they seem to be doing opposite (migration, encouraging to make more babies etc).

The advent of AI and robotics eliminates the political need for millions of eaters to support wealth.

I think current tax system proved, that there is very little support from taxes coming from corporations and wealth created by AI and robotics is not coming back into goverments/population.

I also believe that AI and robotocs do actually put extra political need for millions of people, who can actually vote on those who are in power. Not needing us is like agreeing that "we also do not need power".

After all we can be ruled, but AI will not be. So I cannot see future the way you do. I think value of human life for politicians will only increase.

All nations are obsolete for their purposes, and thus they are globalists, not nationalists.

Luckily it seem that their golden age is over and globalist need to take nationalism into consideration as a permanent factor.

Thx for amazing comment

Yours, Piotr

I'm not very good at explain the reasoning behind these things, so hopefully VC will answer it better. However, if you think of the richest people in the world, they have more money than they could ever spend. Once you have that, there is only power and control to be gained. Large amounts of people are harder to control than smaller groups, who are easy to make dependant on a system. The wealthy don't like the planetwide pollution and destruction any more than we do, but they still want to have what they want. Nature can cope with damage in a small scale, but not on a large scale. They also believe that there are inferior and superior people and the majority of us fall into the inferior category. We are cannon fodder, which is no longer required if you are no longer going to war or if war can be automated.

These are long documentaries, but if you have the time they will help you put things into place. How big oil conquered the world explains what had led us to this point and Why big oil conquered the world will explain why the wealthiest want a population cull.

There have already been sterilisation projects done for decades. We already know what Hitler did, but there were ones in place in the US, they have done it in African countries and been kicked out when they realised that vaccination programmes were also sterilising people. This write up talks a bit about some of the sterilisation programmes that have happened.

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Dear @minismallholding

Just wanted to thank you for another amazing comment and taking the time to share your thoughts with me.

I really appreciate it a lot.

Large amounts of people are harder to control than smaller groups, who are easy to make dependant on a system

That's also what I used to believe. But then look at China. The biggest group ever and they are the most obidient people out there.

Thx for those links.

Yours, Piotr

But then look at China. The biggest group ever and they are the most obidient people out there.

Yes, controlled with an iron fist by fear. The government and military don't hesitate to imprison and even kill any dissidents. Would the western world be so obedient in that situation, or would it spark civil war and uprising? Culture is certainly different across the world. I know this sort of rule is the reason the Americans don't want to give up their guns.

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Dear @minismallholding

Yes, controlled with an iron fist by fear

I totally agree. Im just refering to sentence: "Large amounts of people are harder to control than smaller groups".

Fist and fear are tools that allows such a control and have been used everywhere in the world over and over again.

Would the western world be so obedient in that situation, or would it spark civil war and uprising?

I was wondering about it as well. How come Asians are so obidient comparing to westerners.

Yours, Piotr

I would still say even a smaller group of Chinese would be easier to control than a large one. ;D I get your point, though.

I got to know some Ukrainians a few years ago. Another group from what was a communist regime. Also lovely, and interestingly obedient, people, but I realise they expect the same obedience from others as they move into positions of what could be called power. They don't like to be questioned or flexible if they feel they are in charge, but they're living in a culture where the people are used to questioning and negotiating in certain situations and they moved to this country to gain more freedom.

In Poland, you would have been in the same situation as the Ukraine. What is your culture like?

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Hi @minismallholding

I would still say even a smaller group of Chinese would be easier to control than a large one. ;D I get your point, though.

That's also very true :) Thank you for your kind and mature replies. I really appreciate and value your comments a lot.

Also lovely, and interestingly obedient, people, but I realise they expect the same obedience from others as they move into positions of what could be called power.

Interesting observation.

In Poland, you would have been in the same situation as the Ukraine. What is your culture like?

I've been living for over 11 years in south-east Asia so I'm not even sure how things are in Poland. But I think we're already more westernized. More exposed to world influence and more business minded.

Thank you for asking. Very interesting topic

Yours
Piotr

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You've explained it way better than I could have! I knew someone would have a better answer than I.

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