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Agree. I gave up letting it shame me or make me feel bad or powerless.

I manage it now and still have debt I am climbing out of, but no longer do I care about it in the same way as I did in the past.

I have no proof of this, but I honestly feel like the only people without debt are the super rich or the homeless.

I'm not going to be superrich and I don't want to be homeless.

yeah, it seems as much.

I guess we will persist and seek another way!