RE: Discussion: Should Steemit Witnesses Focus On EOS Or Steemit Retention?
Interesting subject of conversation. I followed along somewhat, and maybe didn’t get a chance to read every sentence on the other posts in detail but get the gist of the conversation.
I actually don’t see lukestokes interest in EOS as a reason to discount his involvement with Steem. I follow lukestokes, read his posts on EOS, and don’t have a problem with his plan of being a block producer there with eosDAC (equivalent to a witness here).
Healthy competition is needed to shake things up, and as you’ve already pointed out ( and from the replies I’ve read) retention is a concern that frankly is not on Steemit’s priority list right now. Why not have healthy competition? Isn’t that what’s needed to incentivize companies to come out with better products in the real world? Just like Apple dominating the industry when iPod first came out. I’m sure their research team came out with better products in response to competitors entering the market. Why should it be any different on Steemit? I believe the term you use is attrition. The penetration of EOS into this market could be the very reason needed for Steem to shift focus from their other ventures and focus on the customers (or guinea pigs) and rate of attrition.
Another example, if I invest in Apple stocks, why can’t I also invest in Samsung stocks? I’m sure hedging is an all familiar term in your financial industry. Sure, things may (or should be different for a witness) since they are the “board members” of a company. Some may view it as “espionage”. Some may view it as forward thinking. People will view every action on here differently. For me, I actually like lukestokes and would even vote him as a witness if I have more time to do research.
I agree with you that competition is healthy... And if you want to invest in both Coke and Pepsi or McDonald and Burger King, I think that is perfectly fine for an investor. And betting on both sides is actually a great investment strategy for investors.
I think what the issue boils down to is this... Is a witness just another shareholder on Steemit or do they have any other power over the way the platform works. I have heard that the top 20 witnesses have the ability to "make changes" for the good of the platform. If that is the case, then they are essentially management.
So I will put it to you like this... Would Coke let its management also be employed by Pepsi? The management of these organizations are charged with making their products and services superior to the competition. The answer is no. No way in hell would that be allowed in the real world.
From an investor standpoint it happens all the time... I own many different gold companies. I'm happy to own them. But I don't want the managers of each gold company working for a competitor.
As for him as a person, I have no issues at all. But I do think that witnesses are management (especially the top 20) and should have to work for only one company or the other. My guess is this is deeper than you are looking currently at and I know you will probably go read through the whole thread at some point and see the whole context. The bottom line is I agree that we as investors can invest in both (and even the witnesses can own both)... It comes down to a management and decision making role, and if we as investors let our company's managers work for the competition, then we will get what any company will deserve in the long run, nothing.. In other words our company will be hollowed out.
Also, I find it hard to believe that you support and are ok with the fact that Steemit was never intended to be a permanent social platform and that it was an experiment only. That the plan all along was to use it as a test case and then abandon it so that others can develop something better and people can migrate in many directions. Maybe I was wrong and you knew it all along, but if that is the case then why did you ever support any community of any kind being built? That wouldn't make much sense to spend so much time to build something to then have it disappear as we are left to rot.
Hey that coke/pepsi thing is a good metaphor;)
To be clear, most of us who have been here a while, knew it was a reference implementation. We knew what luke said to you guys who hadn't heard it before.
That doesn't stop us from building, because as I have said for many many months, steemit inc could dry up and blow away and the chain would live on, the apps would be built, and none of the serious communities live on the chain anyway.
Good morning @sircork.
I completely agree. It doesn't stop me from supporting the community I do either. The communities and relationship formed here extends beyond the steemit platform. I didn't know about Steemit being a reference implementation, but being in the IT field, well, I'm not surprised. It's similar to the agile methodology for project development. There is always a test environment and after user input and bugs are ironed out, then the production environment is launched.
It could be that a Steemit vers 2.0 will be released that'll address the concerns on here. It could be that Steemit Inc. decides to scap Steemit completely. All we can do is continue to build and invest in communities and invest in STEEM, but not necessarily Steemit.
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ok the other day you used a scarecrow and pretended to need a brain... Well you found one pretty fast, or maybe you were just sandbagging again! Smart @beeyou, good answer!
Hi Dave. No, still empty inside. :)
lol.... I don't think so... I have seen that bright mind shine so bright my eyes have been bloodshot for a week after witnessing it. ;)
Lol, that’s sweet Dave. You can tell me the truth, my feelings won’t be hurt.
that is the truth... (rolling eyes) :P
No, I’m too tired to dig deeper now or tomorrow. I understand your point of view as witnesses being management. I get that part, perhaps didn’t address it in depth, but do understand that is a basis for your post. I believe one’s perspective of this platform is where ideals either cross paths or do not. Yes, Steemit mimics the real world very much but the activities on here do not. Do we tip ourselves in the real world? Do we pay our friends a bonus a day for a job well done? Do we create a fictitious business to pay ourselves? None of the above I would think, but we do so on the blockchain. So who is to say being a witness on two platforms is right or wrong. It’s not me, I definitely don’t have enough knowledge. I would like to see what will result from the action. If it is hurting the Steem platform, then perhaps people will consider how important it is to choose the top witnesses wisely. There is no noncompete agreement stating a witness can’t be on more than one platform. Wouldn’t you think that something like this would have been written into the white paper from the get-go? I’m sure someone would surely have thought of witnesses jumping ship or duo-witnessing.
I do not support nor are ok with this fact. I read the same statement you did, and who is to say what is the truth or not on here. Dave, you’re looking at it from a Steemit perspective, not from a Steem perspective. Who knows what community has in store or SMT. If Steemit Inc decides to not continue the development of Steemit, that doesn’t mean all interfaces will not exists. Just the other day I read Tim Cliff talking about digging into
Steemit’s(phone typo and let known by sircork) STEEM codes if ever Steemit Inc stops with their development. Who’s to say one day the witnesses that are developers won’t start their own Steemit dapp? I still have faith in Steem, but do extend beyond Steemit.https://steemit.com/steem/@timcliff/i-submitted-my-first-hardfork-pull-request-to-the-steem-blockchain-updates-to-the-sbd-print-rate
No. He is digging into STEEM blockchains code. He is NOT digging into steemit incs condenser code, though he has submitted pull requests on the steemit code as well.
They are NOT the same thing, and you sort of seem to understand that in your comment up until the comments about Tim, which are not a correct portrayal of what he is doing at all.
Developers have already made dozens of clones of condenser. MSP has their own version, other witnesses have built spin offs, busy is a spin, zappl is a spin, all the D* sites are spins... they are all interfaces to the steem blockchain, which steemit inc developers currently control and gate on pull requests, even though it's "open source". You cant get a pull request merged without a blessing from stinc. They actually already need to get the hell out of the way and let people who can finish things actually submit things and get them approved.
Steemit.com itself is neglected, mediocre in terms of functionality and could wither and die for all most of us who understand the ecosystem care. There are plenty of other options already to use to talk to the blockchain.
Yes I realize it’s Steem and not Steemit. It’s way past my bedtime and typing on my phone is not always the best way to go with the autocorrect feature. Will make that quick typo change, and respond less ‘spammy’ tomorrow. I drank way too much coffee today and have to get up for work in 3 hours. Thx for pointing it out.
Yeah, as noted, I could tell you knew then it sort of fell apart at the end :)
That’s how my day will be tomorrow. Will probably be awake enough to function with coffee in the morning but start to zone out once the caffeine leaves my system. Good night sircork. :)
Just another 29 hour day and 4 hour nap for me. I'll be here - get some sleep for both of us.:)
No idea how you are getting through your days!
Just looping around to this comment. I did make my typo correction.
You just taught me something new, never heard of condenser codes (not a developer).
Definitely did not know about this bit. I assumed "open source" meant just that, readily available for the public without constraints. Who knew. :)
Yeah. That's what Open Source is supposed to mean. ;)
Well it is available to the public without constraints and the public can do what ever with it, like starting their own version. But that does not mean that the new changes you make to your version will necessarily be accepted back into the original code used by the original project.
Appreciate the clarification!
He is correct.
I value all your points... I am glad to see them and happy to know you have faith in steem!
There is no agreement, sure, but as a witness, I have promised to make decisions for the best of the platform and its users. How can I make decision for the best of two competing platforms?
Hi @quochuy. It's great to have another witness stop by to join the discussion.
I think that's great that you hold those values as a witness. As we know, not all witnesses have the same values. There are many dead witnesses on here with support from users.
As for being on two competing platforms, I wouldn't automatically discredit the work a witness has shown through the months/years simply because he decides to try another platform. If his actions down the road show that he becomes a liability and no longer an asset, then users would need to rethink their witness vote. We all know that the top witnesses must have the support of one individual to maintain that status. Since the user holds a very big stake in steem, well, let's see what action he will take with regards to witnesses being on two platforms.
As a fairly new user, I would like to have a comparison of the two platforms from a witnesses' perspective. I understand it may be different for everyone.