Discussion: Should Steemit Witnesses Focus On EOS Or Steemit Retention?
This is a reply to a comment in a post by @donkeypong (Click Here) in which he makes the very good point that he is removing his support for witnesses that support the EOS platform too. For those of you that aren't aware, EOS is started by the co-creator of Steemit and is a direct competitor to Steemit.
I have commented on a comment (Read Comment Here) by a top 20 witness @lukestokes who argues it is ok that he is supporting both platforms (Steemit and EOS). I am bringing this issue to your attention not to penalize @lukestokes (@abh12345 says he's a good guy and I trust Asher's judgement on that), but rather to engage you in the issue. In my opinion, these top 20 witnesses are tone deaf and really aren't paying attention to their user base. I'm hoping at some point if we bring it up enough, that can change.
So this is my reply, I welcome any replies in the comment section below!
@lukestokes, I know that you will not care what I say. But you should. Not because I am anybody important, but because I am one of the few that have joined lately and stayed.
I have read your response to this article by @donkeypong and also read @abh12345's reply. From what I can deduce, you are probably a well-intentioned guy and a nice guy too. But your arguments here as to why you should keep your witness vote, completely highlight what is wrong with the platform.
In your litany of reasons why @donkeypong should keep his vote for you, the most glaring response was you wanted to keep your feet in the EOS camp to keep the pulse on the cryptospace. This is exactly what the problem is with Steemit.
You (and frankly too many of the witnesses) are looking at one thing (the tech issues), and you have completely ignored the fact that people that sign up... leave. And I am not talking about 1 in 10 leaving, or even 5 in 10 leaving... I am talking about an attrition rate that is so bad the number of active users is going DOWN (fyi, that means that more users leave than signup, which is particularly bad since you have lots of signups). Did you even know this?
If you didn't, then maybe that is the problem. Here is the post from @paulag which she did last month in an attempt to bring this issue up so it can be dealt with. (Click Here) This 3 month snapshot shows this simple stunning fact:
We ended January of 2018 "active users" of 154,000
We added 240,000 new signups over the next 3 months
We ended with April of 2018 "active users" of 127,000
Does this look like a healthy platform? Where we have 240,000 new signups and end up losing them ALL plus another 27,000?
What are you doing about this? Where is the focus on this issue? Instead of spending your time learning about EOS as a secret double agent spy, why don't you spend time talking to the people that sign up and try to use this platform? Why don't you see why many see this place as nothing more than a schoolyard filled with bullies throwing their weight around? Why don't you see why many people have given up on making good posts, and now do the bare minimum so they can recycle the whales SP at a small profit (ie known as bot farming)?
As a witness, instead of your answer being that you need to learn about EOS, ask yourself are you really only there to "learn" how to make Steemit better? It seems like a weak response to me and one that isn't very believable.
Having said that, Asher says that you are a heavily involved witness on this platform (compared to other witnesses on this platform). If that is true then great (even with that pretty big caveat). I hope you are. I hope to see you involved with finding solutions to the absolutely terrible retention problem that exists here. I hope to see you give these issues more of your time, and the EOS platform much less. I hope you can see why someone like me (a nobody here), thinks this is a ridiculous discussion that you are having about why you are supporting another platform when the one you have supposed "loyalty" to is burning around you.
As I said, you seem like a decent guy. I hope that you take these words constructively and get out in the community and find out what is going wrong. It is there for anyone that wants to ask good questions. I have many friends that can help you too if you just ask.
Its not really that hard if you want to make Steemit better and maintain your witness... Start focusing on Steemit users (especially the new ones) and the issues that are important to them, and stop pretending to be using EOS as a learning tool to make Steemit better. I'm not buying it, and I hope you stop trying to sell it.
My "highly recommended" witness votes will now be added to my posts. I hope you add them to!
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"I got a girlfriend on the side so I can learn to be a better husband to my wife."
Is that simular to " it's only gay if the balls touch?" Asking for a friend.
lol... I had to laugh at that one DDC! :P
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lol love your analogy
haha... yes me too @sames!
hahaha... awesome Blondie, that's a perfect analogy :)
I'd love to see that question and their answer :P
Greetings @davemccoy, if you want to see an active community making a difference and accelerating their efforts at little to no gains to all the volunteers and probably at a big loss to their leadership (yeah speaking for myself)
check out @comedyopenmic / #comedyopenmic, this is what they have accomplish in just 15 Rounds, have garner over >$15,000 worth of upvotes for almost all minnows, and given out >1170SBD and ~300Steem, it has also support >2000 Steemian (data from steemsql). We've also help won countless OCD, and >30 Main Curies, and I lost count the number of direct follow Curies (easily >60)...not even kidding.
Started at 35 SBD (20SBD Jester, 10 Top10, 5 Lucky Door), COM has now increase prizes top Jester prize to week to 55SBD now total weekly prize 165SBD.
The goal is to get 1% of sub/reddit s/funny with 50million members (largest subreddit ..... why because comedy helps build retention), that's 500,000 new Steemians who we'll retain at a much higher rate with comedy and Satire!
Come check out: https://steemit.com/comedyopenmic/@comedyopenmic/comedy-open-mic-comedy-contest-round-15
Or Visit our Discord Server
And please show the community some love if yo deem us worthy for all our continual hardwork to bring quality and comedic souls to the Steem blockchain, support our witness: @comedyopenmic !
Hey @dj123, first thanks for the invitation... I have already joined and love the place and the members I've met. @doomsdaychassis is one of my favorite horrible steemians ;) ...
I completely agree with you that you are doing some amazing things and I haven't spent the time I should really helping you. Your comment is a nice reminder to me to do just that. So thank you and thank you for reaching out!
Also thank you for what you are putting together. I think it is a really good plan btw!
we're doing something amazing, and ever since i saw your post that we tried to push to trending, i knew we needed your help to get the word out that we need to attract, bring in, and retain the #1 rarest and most sought after social media talent and content, humor.....and it turns out by accident, we're building a great community of leaders and givers as well
thank you for dropping by, hopefully someday you'll see it worthy to add us into your 30 list of witness, in the mean time, please help us get the word out so we can keep our content rich mojo going and casting a wide net of warmph, inclusivity and genuine belonging in this corner of the blockchainosphere!
I love what you guys are doing and I will add you and start to promote you too... I am going to be talking with @doomsdaychassis and see if he has any ideas too!
I only have bad ideas. :)
lol... well that works perfect hen because we need a bad ass attitude here!
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@comedyopenmic are my peeps. Love them guys.
I will need your help in focusing on their witness vote... Let's help propel them along with the other community witnesses that are making this place solid! (and fun) ;)
They got my vote already. I just gotta figure out how to take out some other people's knees.
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@doomsdaychassis let me know when you have that part figured out ;)
Time to go Tonya Harding on some people.
If we get big enough, then we can be like a bunch of chihuahua's taking down the big ass Lions roaming this safari!
Thanks for starting the discussion. Here's my reply.
Your candidness and honesty is well appreciated and I know that this was not something that you did.
I will not shoot the messenger and respect you for delivering it without sugar coating or a way to deflect any blame.
It just left me speechless though and unsure of what I want to do next.
Love the way you are Mav! :)
I saw this reply in the thread I started on the original post and I came here to give you a standing ovation for it.
Every single point you made is dead on. I routinely spend time in the communities here that either I or others built, and overwhelmingly user sentiment is against split personality witnesses working both sides of the room.
I can assure you that Team SirCork, consisting of myself and @rhondak, have invested far too much sweat equity into our tool offerings, our several communities we have built up, and our other various contributions to the people of this platform, to consider going anywhere else.
I think it's devastatingly stupid for these witnesses to think they can play on both teams and have any efficacy for either side. And the people of this platform from top to bottom are echoing that sentiment loud and clear.
I, for one, wish these wafflers and opportunists good luck and good riddance as the people systematically become aware of their lack of loyalty and apparently any real level of commitment or allegiance to steem and our platform user base.
You won't catch us going there.
@SirCork
Founder: @YouAreHOPE Foundation - Steem exlusive, blockchain transparent worldwide humanitarian aid
Founder: @SteemStarNetwork - 24/7 streaming network at the center of the steemiverse
Creator: http://steem.agency tools - various cool toys for users, including dead follower and dead following management tools and the "When Lambo?" Calculator
Steem Witness #63 In full partnership with @RhondaK (Founder of @TheWritersBlock, @TARC, and creator of http://steemshelves.com and Steem House Publishing (off chain real world steem author born publishing company)
I take a somewhat milder tone than Cork, LOL, but I can assure you he is spot-on about us staying put. The Steem blockchain has been good to me. I see a future here. And I'm in this for the long haul.
Hey @rhondak! Its nice to meet you! I had a long convo with @sircork this evening and I'm excited to be connected to you both in the future!
This is why I will always Shill witness Sircork and his partner Rhondak because I know they will take care of people.
Give voice to the masses and make sure Communities are important anf so are the newest minnows.
Thank you very much for the standing ovation! lol
We did connect and I look forward to working with you in the future. I think we all need to find the areas we agree on and then do what we can for #teamgood! (I stole that from you) ;)
So Team SirCork with you and @rhondak is another witness that I want to get to know!
It was very interesting to read about you and @rhondak.
Certainly a valuable discussion for us all to be having @davemccoy.
I think Luke is basically one of the good guys in this equation, though. He's one of the few "old" witnesses who does care and who's pretty involved in the community. He's actually a cool "bridge" between the techy and "real life" in the sense that he's a small business owner and no just a developer and cryptotrader. He knows a lot about how life, business and people work.
I can't speak for Luke specifically, but there are quite a few @dan "followers" here... bitshares, Steemit... now EOS. Why is that important? We talk about EOS as a "competitor" but I'm struggling to make sense of the idea that Dan would create a new venture that would directly harm a previous venture. At this point in the game, the stage is still big enough for everyone.
Of course, that has little to do with the retention rate issue. And other issues internal to Steemit.
If there's an assurance it would be nice to have... and perhaps that's where you were going with the line of questioning here... it's that the folks at STINC and the top witnesses aren't just going to bail the moment someone rolls out a social app on the EOS blockchain.
As for "retention," what doesn't seem to get addressed much is that IF the future "down the road" for Steemit involves mass scale onboarding, let's not overlook that the single best "evangelist marketers" are a group of existing active users who all think the platform ROCKS. If most people have left or have a ho-hum feeling about this place, that's going to be a MUCH harder sell.
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Hey @curatorcat, I love your reply. I think you know more than me btw ;) .... Who knew cats were that smart :P
Seriously my issue in the comment was about the "management" aspect only. In other words a top 20 witnesses are the only people with a voice to make changes and upgrades. If they aren't 100% serving Steemit only, then the potential for conflict of interests arises. That doesn't mean that they will do anything wrong and I'm sure there are some very fine people that are in this group. But just like in the real world, no company would ever let their highest ranking decision makers also work for their competition. You might be right that they aren't going to compete, but from everything I've read there are already plans for "steemit 2.0" on EOS. That doesn't mean they will win if there is a competition, but it does mean that our top 20 witnesses in both camps will be conflicted. In other words, at best they would have to "recuse" themselves from any conflicting issue decisions; or at worst they can pick and choose which shareholders to benefit most.
Its just messy and unnecessary.
I do agree that people (including these witnesesses) can invest in both platforms. My issue lies solely in the fact that they make choices and decisions that make things work.
Thanks again for your awesome comment! And once again tell your human that you are one smart kitty!
Thank you sir..
Most welcome sir..
Thanks for the shout out.
I agree, Steemit, inc has a lot of work to do to launch a solid platform that many developers can build on. Even if Steemit.com doesn't attract as much attention as some would like, I'm hopefully the many applications that continue to increase the community of human beings on STEEM will. It doesn't matter which interface we use, it's all the same blockchain and that's where the value is because that's where the user's content, cryptocurrency, and identity is.
I read your post Dave and I read Luke's post on his answer as well as all the links that he placed there. I have to hand it to Luke to be able to be straight forward and tell it as it is. I have always respected Luke and even if he does not have my witness vote as I vote mostly for the 50 below witnesses since he doesn't need my measly 1.5 MV.
I am speechless as with words not important, that this is just an experiment, that Sneak could care less about the people that are here right now because this is just a precursor to what Steem would evolve into.
I get it that Steemit the condenser and how it functions is pretty barebones and is not meant to be the one that people will use in the future as there will be condensers like Busy.org which is better and with the arrival of SMT would have other condensers and front ends that would be apt to how they would use it and in line with how they want to reward their users.
I know that Steem wants to be the blockchain that will be used and have the rest be built on top of it.
Yet to say this is a grand experiment and that it's okay to lose the first million which is sneaks words as they are looking to have it when it is running 100 mIllion.
How can it even reach that if it can't take care of the 20k active now which they are experimenting on what best system will work.
I do feel like a lab rat that doesn't know it's in one. It was not given a choice. I was not given a choice.
They might wiggle with saying it's Beta and so everything is an experiment. Not sounding hysterical here but it leaves the same taste as knowing the Cambridge Analytics and mood manipulation of Facebook.
It explains the lack of marketing because they wanted a smaller market of people to experiment on and somehow they did everything to not facilitate growth with the long sign ups, the inane hardforks that are geared to divide people into groups and see who would win. They made it that the selfish will flourish and explain why no one was Helping @fulltimegeek fight off the troll because it was an experiment to see who would win.
I hope that this experiment is worth it and all the efforts of Community minded people like you Dave, Asher, Terry, FTG and the rest who were making this home to people and knowing that everything is in vain just puts a nasty taste in my mouth.
People might say I am irrational and that my emotions got the better of me in this situation but fuck why the hell did I exert all that effort all those fucking 7 months of engagement, mentoring and promoting.
Im upset because I invested not just time and effort here but emotionally, mentally and physically invested myself to this.
Then to get a rude awakening like this. Although I am more okay that I learned this rather than be in the dark and then get the rugged pulled under me afterwards. That would devastate me especially with what I planned in this Platform.
@maverickinvictus... I completely understand:
My sentiments exactly. I'm happy to know the information, happy it was finally said. And now I'm thinking of what we can do.
I love that @jackmiller and @sircork have already responded and I'm sure we will hear from others too... This isn't the end of the story Mav... So don't be too dejected just yet. I am a fighter and also a realist. I will listen and learn and work with the good guys (gals) like you and we will come up with a plan. I have no idea what that plan is yet, but I am sure that we can find one together!
Hang in there! The hornets nest has just begun to be stirred up! ;)
Indeed it is time that we do something with the information that was shared.
We are engagers, we are fighters who will do what we can to make things Right even if it is hard.
We are the people that will not sit idly by and let inaction and apathy reign because we care about the people and the platform.
I 100% agree Mav... Been thinking this through all day ;)
Though they might have good intentions, I don't think that it is wise for a witness to support a direct competitor to steemit. Besides, the witnesses ought to promote the platform.
I agree completly with you @amelin! Especially a top 20 witness that makes the rules. To me that is clear as can be!
Interesting subject of conversation. I followed along somewhat, and maybe didn’t get a chance to read every sentence on the other posts in detail but get the gist of the conversation.
I actually don’t see lukestokes interest in EOS as a reason to discount his involvement with Steem. I follow lukestokes, read his posts on EOS, and don’t have a problem with his plan of being a block producer there with eosDAC (equivalent to a witness here).
Healthy competition is needed to shake things up, and as you’ve already pointed out ( and from the replies I’ve read) retention is a concern that frankly is not on Steemit’s priority list right now. Why not have healthy competition? Isn’t that what’s needed to incentivize companies to come out with better products in the real world? Just like Apple dominating the industry when iPod first came out. I’m sure their research team came out with better products in response to competitors entering the market. Why should it be any different on Steemit? I believe the term you use is attrition. The penetration of EOS into this market could be the very reason needed for Steem to shift focus from their other ventures and focus on the customers (or guinea pigs) and rate of attrition.
Another example, if I invest in Apple stocks, why can’t I also invest in Samsung stocks? I’m sure hedging is an all familiar term in your financial industry. Sure, things may (or should be different for a witness) since they are the “board members” of a company. Some may view it as “espionage”. Some may view it as forward thinking. People will view every action on here differently. For me, I actually like lukestokes and would even vote him as a witness if I have more time to do research.
I agree with you that competition is healthy... And if you want to invest in both Coke and Pepsi or McDonald and Burger King, I think that is perfectly fine for an investor. And betting on both sides is actually a great investment strategy for investors.
I think what the issue boils down to is this... Is a witness just another shareholder on Steemit or do they have any other power over the way the platform works. I have heard that the top 20 witnesses have the ability to "make changes" for the good of the platform. If that is the case, then they are essentially management.
So I will put it to you like this... Would Coke let its management also be employed by Pepsi? The management of these organizations are charged with making their products and services superior to the competition. The answer is no. No way in hell would that be allowed in the real world.
From an investor standpoint it happens all the time... I own many different gold companies. I'm happy to own them. But I don't want the managers of each gold company working for a competitor.
As for him as a person, I have no issues at all. But I do think that witnesses are management (especially the top 20) and should have to work for only one company or the other. My guess is this is deeper than you are looking currently at and I know you will probably go read through the whole thread at some point and see the whole context. The bottom line is I agree that we as investors can invest in both (and even the witnesses can own both)... It comes down to a management and decision making role, and if we as investors let our company's managers work for the competition, then we will get what any company will deserve in the long run, nothing.. In other words our company will be hollowed out.
Also, I find it hard to believe that you support and are ok with the fact that Steemit was never intended to be a permanent social platform and that it was an experiment only. That the plan all along was to use it as a test case and then abandon it so that others can develop something better and people can migrate in many directions. Maybe I was wrong and you knew it all along, but if that is the case then why did you ever support any community of any kind being built? That wouldn't make much sense to spend so much time to build something to then have it disappear as we are left to rot.
Hey that coke/pepsi thing is a good metaphor;)
To be clear, most of us who have been here a while, knew it was a reference implementation. We knew what luke said to you guys who hadn't heard it before.
That doesn't stop us from building, because as I have said for many many months, steemit inc could dry up and blow away and the chain would live on, the apps would be built, and none of the serious communities live on the chain anyway.
Good morning @sircork.
I completely agree. It doesn't stop me from supporting the community I do either. The communities and relationship formed here extends beyond the steemit platform. I didn't know about Steemit being a reference implementation, but being in the IT field, well, I'm not surprised. It's similar to the agile methodology for project development. There is always a test environment and after user input and bugs are ironed out, then the production environment is launched.
It could be that a Steemit vers 2.0 will be released that'll address the concerns on here. It could be that Steemit Inc. decides to scap Steemit completely. All we can do is continue to build and invest in communities and invest in STEEM, but not necessarily Steemit.
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ok the other day you used a scarecrow and pretended to need a brain... Well you found one pretty fast, or maybe you were just sandbagging again! Smart @beeyou, good answer!
Hi Dave. No, still empty inside. :)
lol.... I don't think so... I have seen that bright mind shine so bright my eyes have been bloodshot for a week after witnessing it. ;)
Lol, that’s sweet Dave. You can tell me the truth, my feelings won’t be hurt.
No, I’m too tired to dig deeper now or tomorrow. I understand your point of view as witnesses being management. I get that part, perhaps didn’t address it in depth, but do understand that is a basis for your post. I believe one’s perspective of this platform is where ideals either cross paths or do not. Yes, Steemit mimics the real world very much but the activities on here do not. Do we tip ourselves in the real world? Do we pay our friends a bonus a day for a job well done? Do we create a fictitious business to pay ourselves? None of the above I would think, but we do so on the blockchain. So who is to say being a witness on two platforms is right or wrong. It’s not me, I definitely don’t have enough knowledge. I would like to see what will result from the action. If it is hurting the Steem platform, then perhaps people will consider how important it is to choose the top witnesses wisely. There is no noncompete agreement stating a witness can’t be on more than one platform. Wouldn’t you think that something like this would have been written into the white paper from the get-go? I’m sure someone would surely have thought of witnesses jumping ship or duo-witnessing.
I do not support nor are ok with this fact. I read the same statement you did, and who is to say what is the truth or not on here. Dave, you’re looking at it from a Steemit perspective, not from a Steem perspective. Who knows what community has in store or SMT. If Steemit Inc decides to not continue the development of Steemit, that doesn’t mean all interfaces will not exists. Just the other day I read Tim Cliff talking about digging into
Steemit’s(phone typo and let known by sircork) STEEM codes if ever Steemit Inc stops with their development. Who’s to say one day the witnesses that are developers won’t start their own Steemit dapp? I still have faith in Steem, but do extend beyond Steemit.https://steemit.com/steem/@timcliff/i-submitted-my-first-hardfork-pull-request-to-the-steem-blockchain-updates-to-the-sbd-print-rate
No. He is digging into STEEM blockchains code. He is NOT digging into steemit incs condenser code, though he has submitted pull requests on the steemit code as well.
They are NOT the same thing, and you sort of seem to understand that in your comment up until the comments about Tim, which are not a correct portrayal of what he is doing at all.
Developers have already made dozens of clones of condenser. MSP has their own version, other witnesses have built spin offs, busy is a spin, zappl is a spin, all the D* sites are spins... they are all interfaces to the steem blockchain, which steemit inc developers currently control and gate on pull requests, even though it's "open source". You cant get a pull request merged without a blessing from stinc. They actually already need to get the hell out of the way and let people who can finish things actually submit things and get them approved.
Steemit.com itself is neglected, mediocre in terms of functionality and could wither and die for all most of us who understand the ecosystem care. There are plenty of other options already to use to talk to the blockchain.
Yes I realize it’s Steem and not Steemit. It’s way past my bedtime and typing on my phone is not always the best way to go with the autocorrect feature. Will make that quick typo change, and respond less ‘spammy’ tomorrow. I drank way too much coffee today and have to get up for work in 3 hours. Thx for pointing it out.
Yeah, as noted, I could tell you knew then it sort of fell apart at the end :)
That’s how my day will be tomorrow. Will probably be awake enough to function with coffee in the morning but start to zone out once the caffeine leaves my system. Good night sircork. :)
Just another 29 hour day and 4 hour nap for me. I'll be here - get some sleep for both of us.:)
Just looping around to this comment. I did make my typo correction.
You just taught me something new, never heard of condenser codes (not a developer).
Definitely did not know about this bit. I assumed "open source" meant just that, readily available for the public without constraints. Who knew. :)
Yeah. That's what Open Source is supposed to mean. ;)
Well it is available to the public without constraints and the public can do what ever with it, like starting their own version. But that does not mean that the new changes you make to your version will necessarily be accepted back into the original code used by the original project.
Appreciate the clarification!
He is correct.
I value all your points... I am glad to see them and happy to know you have faith in steem!
There is no agreement, sure, but as a witness, I have promised to make decisions for the best of the platform and its users. How can I make decision for the best of two competing platforms?
Hi @quochuy. It's great to have another witness stop by to join the discussion.
I think that's great that you hold those values as a witness. As we know, not all witnesses have the same values. There are many dead witnesses on here with support from users.
As for being on two competing platforms, I wouldn't automatically discredit the work a witness has shown through the months/years simply because he decides to try another platform. If his actions down the road show that he becomes a liability and no longer an asset, then users would need to rethink their witness vote. We all know that the top witnesses must have the support of one individual to maintain that status. Since the user holds a very big stake in steem, well, let's see what action he will take with regards to witnesses being on two platforms.
As a fairly new user, I would like to have a comparison of the two platforms from a witnesses' perspective. I understand it may be different for everyone.
Ha I got there before you on advertising-supported witness :P 1 up for Jan
The Irish humour aside. In all circumstance working at two opposing sides is a conflict of interest, will a decision be made on one that was influenced by the actions on the other, or to better gain finance from both alternatively, while being on the inside. It sounds a bit much like the banking system, hands in many pockets and cannot lose with inside info.
In all business, it is seen as a conflict of interest to represent two companies of similarity. Now, I am not casting character accusations at anyone, I do not know enough about any witness to cast any character reference.
This is written from experiences in my own life and things I have seen with conflict of interest.
I do see that you witness do good for communities and the platform. I see alternative methods to progress in the physical world. Maybe as our group grows we will gain visibility and the chances of more witness working together on a project can happen more frequent.
We can only hope over time @jan23com! I don't expect miracles, but maybe if we all take a few steps forward then each day we get a little closer to that day! Its a good comment and you are right that its like the banking system, where in the last crisis they charged you for the right to hold your money :P
Thanks for putting this out there Dave. I would never have known. Yes it chaps my behind that this type of shanangans is taking place. But if I think solely from a self serving point of view, it all makes perfect sense. At the witness level of involvement here, you’d think he would be above trying to play both sides, be all in one way or another. It’s one thing to send a spy to the other camp, it’s completely different to BE the spy. I wish I knew more about the level of involvement at EOS. I mean if he’s hedging his bet as to which platform will come out on top, then so be it. But not as a witness. Not cool. Any suggestions for us noobs? Besides not voting for him.
As for it being an experiment @mightypanda, my understanding is all cryptocurrencies are experiments. I for one don’t have don’t have the time or energy to “experiment”else where, so I’m proudly a Steammanian !
I didn't say steem is an experiment, i said steemit is an experiment. there's a huge difference in both.
HUGGGGE Difference. Good catch Pandaperson!
Thank you for participating in this discussion @electricswine! I completely agree with this point and it is the essence of my gripe:
You get it exactly... I think being a "passive" investor in both platforms is fine. But when it comes to voting witnesses, I prefer that the guys running my place only work for my place. Its common sense really. I don't know why its even an issue.
Again, thanks for the insight and to answer your question, only voting for witnesses at this point. Choose the ones that you know are fitting your needs and unchoose those that don't.
We may have other things to do later, but mainly I would just say "pay attention"... That is how we learn and maybe one day we can collectively make a difference!