This is a PAY IT FORWARD POST to help our friend @dianargenti here. Her father passed away & she needs funds to complete the burial AND help her family. We dropped the ball on helping her Steemit Family.

pfunk (72) 7 years ago (edited)

99.999% of people in the world need money. The fact is everyone has a time where they are in a tight spot at some point in their lives. Steem can't provide charity for all. It's not a magical fountain of money.

These rewards, and STEEM's value, are based on the foundation of STEEM's market price. Therefore it is the buyers of STEEM footing the bill for these efforts of charity. So this is not true:

none of this costs anything, this is why @ned and @dan / @dantheman created this blockchain community and economy.
Right?

It's possible for charity to see a return benefit to Steem, in the form of promotion or helping a valuable member who is in real need of basic things like housing or food. But I see these begging posts getting out of hand already.

Imagine one side of a street lined with beggars, simply asking for money without offering anything of value. Now imagine the other side of the street lined with buskers, poets, artists, and many others bringing unique value to it. Which side of that street would you rather walk down?

The second side of the street metaphor is what I think Steem will flourish with. Allocating more and more of the reward pool to begging will turn away valuable contributors and probably buyers of STEEM as well.

I've downvoted this post primarily because of this:

I am donating the liquid rewards to her, from this post upon payout and I donated to her directly 10 days ago as well.

You're inviting charity but skimming a substantial amount from it. That's not very charitable.

Edit: And as @son-of-satire found in this comment from @dianargenti, they didn't need the help anyway. https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@barrydutton/hey-steemit-family-what-was-your-1st-blog-post-you-authored-on-here-and-why-or-e-7-or-post-it-or-community-engagement-series#@dianargenti/re-barrydutton-re-dianargenti-re-barrydutton-hey-steemit-family-what-was-your-1st-blog-post-you-authored-on-here-and-why-or-e-7-or-post-it-or-community-engagement-series-20170807t081449245z

$16.38

dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

Hello there sir @pfunk I would like to say thank u for everything and for the favor. I also wanted to say how sorry I am for my good friend Barry here for doing this blog for me and causes him so much trouble. What sonofsatire was reading maybe he/she mis understood of what I was trying to say. I didn't exactly say I don't need my friend Barry's help, prior for my post a few days ago me and Barry already talk about that he plan to do so...a blog post for me and give.me the liquid rewards I do know that he will do it for he promise me. And for that, it is already a big favor and help for me to raise the fund that I need for he knows that I was not been able to get on my post. And as the one who involved in this there's no problem in my part for I already knew liquid rewards will be given to me and it is a huge help for me. Sir I don't know how to say the exact words to put this issues, that my friend is only doing what he thinks to help. if he also gain for what he do I believed it is only right for him for I myself won't let him give me all the benefits for he also deserved. Sir I am asking you a very big favor for me could you pleased in my behalf post comments for I know you can be more heard and more efficient to explained how I valued much for the favor that my friend given to me. for he only thinks to help me.in either way around and I agree for what he have done for me. I just wanted to give back the reputation and the name of my good friend Barry who was being drag down and being misunderstood for helping me at least in this way I can give back the favor, support and help that he given to me for I also know that you do explained very well like what u have commented on here at sir @pfunk, Thank u so much and God bless you always. Please reconsidered for I know you are one of those who have a good hearted person here in the community. Thank u, thank u so much.

$25.13

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Hi Dian,

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community. Have a good weekend my friend.

dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

Yes I did get it, thank u for the kindness you showed I know u will be rewarded for the goodness in you. God bless my friend

$0.04

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Dian, I had no idea you were already on this thread making your voice heard, apart from the one comment of yours on the thread last nite. Timezones get in the way sometimes of communication LOL.

You are on so many of our minds. You continue to show people and me --- what a nice person you are and what community truly means -- and family.

God bless you and your family. I am just starting my online catch up now, after getting a post up earlier and then working on things here to help you.

I hope you noticed my other donation come in over the weekend, with all the people donating to you there recently LOL.

Hugs

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dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

Crying over and overwhelm of your thoughts to us, I guess I need a small boat right now so I won't drown with my own tears 😨 keeping the burden to light. Thank u!

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

God bless you, just wrote you a long reply a minute ago.

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ionlysaymeep (50) 7 years ago

meep

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

LOL, given what has gone on here on this post

That is pretty funny actually

Thanks for the smile.

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teamsteem (74) 7 years ago

I have upvoted @pfunk's comment because I think he touches on important points.

Just for the record I upvoted Barry's post with my bot.

I think the disagreement from @pfunk and most other downvoters comes more from the fact that they would have prefer a bigger % of the reward to go to @dianargenti. I think that is arguable by both parties.

In the end, I think his comment is valuable.

$4.63

teamsteem (74) 7 years ago (edited)

True downvotes are taking from someone. Downvotes are also redistributing what is taken, to everyone else. This everyone is the 99.999% @pfunk is talking about.

99.999% of people in the world need money.

Instead of using our energies in an destructive manner let's try to see the positives.

Your post Barry has brought a lot of help to the person you wanted to help and also generated some valuable comments like the one made by @pfunk.

Downvotes should always be seen as a positive for the 99.999%.

$4.25

18 votes

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

No.

The months and months of discussions here, and posts and comments......for hundreds of hours, on people abusing their flags are proof that was not a fulsome statement on the matter.

$0.00

https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/donation-post-proof-of-payout-tonight-dianargenti-paid-out-as-promised-extra-sent-tonite-as-well-as-the-extra-sbd-sent-to-her

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Hi - Here is what I sent to Dian after the post payout tonite, just keeping you in the loop:

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community. Have a good weekend my friend.

$0.00

fivefiveeleven (64) 7 years ago

I just couldn't agree more with this. You explained it the best way, and it doesn't mean we don't care about the subject or the cause for charity, is just getting like a new trend of people begging for something. Today this is the third message I see of someones necessities, and personal I wish the best for all of you asking for help, but its important to think about what you are turning this platform into, we don't ask for money to the owner of Facebook, or twitter, or snapchat, etc. This is not an easy topic, but I totally get and understand your point in this one. Great words.

$1.30

pinaynomad (57) 7 years ago

"its important to think about what you are turning this platform into, we don't ask for money to the owner of Facebook, or twitter, or snapchat, etc."

I totally agree with you man. I've been seeing a lot of people begging on this platform or asking for help. I mean, really?! Is it what Steemit for? A Charity?

$0.00

mobbs (69) 7 years ago

Right, the begging analogy is great. I think anybody in need should get in touch with @venuspcs, who, although is asking for as much charity as he can, he is trying to contribute so much - even delegating SP to people despite him being in abject poverty, starting a campaign to get a steemit van to promote the website publicly, a discord channel to help the homeless on here, intention to pay back those when he can, posting multiple posts daily with photography and writing.

And that's somebody with completely debilitating physical and mental conditions with hardly a place to sleep, and can barely breath when he does. If anybody needs 50% of $900, it's him.

$1.21

18 votes

pinaynomad (57) 7 years ago

Yup. You perfectly said the right words I was looking for. The begging analogy makes me sick.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

My in depth reply to this is above in comments, I have been out all day. I've addressed almost everything I can think of in there.

The sad thing -- is whether I keep 10% --- 50%, or 500% of the rewards, your DV and others, still costs her money --- and that is evident.

And that is addressed in my long reply. I won't be responding to a slew of individual comments on the negative people have CHOSEN to spend time on here.

$0.43

5 votes

acidyo (80) 7 years ago

I've addressed almost everything I can think of in there.

Yet not once did you mention that it is possible to give her all of the rewards. Since you know, this is charity after all.

Not even the centralized charities out there today take a 50% cut.

$4.51

7 votes

jacquelyne (57) 7 years ago

Thanks for saying so @acidyo... appreciate your voice.

$0.18

pfunk (72) 7 years ago

Is there something preventing you from donating 100% of the rewards from this post?

$0.18

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Addressed a few mins ago in other reply.

Is there some reason a handful of people are trying to force me to change what I wrote in the post when nobody else did?

This has now become the spotlight for a few of you who read my post -- flagged down the post hundreds of dollars that were meant for Dian --- and then by force and some lies (not you) and misdirection and wordsmithing (sort of you) --- read my post -- don't like that I used the same template and wording as most donation posts --- and are trying to FORCE me to change it

Flags/censorship taking from Dian --- it is not me. My original post was never edited and 99% of people who read it are fine with it..... but for a few of you.

I think that needs to be explored!!!!! But I said that earlier in my reply to you.

Like you are asking / pointing with your language at times, I am not addressing things.

But the timestamps on my replies clearly show I am --- you are just not reading replies, it seems --- to the post in general.

If I was hovering over a post..... I would certainly be reading the whole thing at times, for updates and context.

But --- I will not try to FORCE any of you to do anything.

$0.00

pjheinz (66) 7 years ago (edited)

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officialfuzzy (75) 7 years ago

Oh so pfunk u should check out whaleshares and whaletank! We give to people for building projects, coins and community initiatives :)

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

My comments address all of this and more in one reply, in this post, tonite, and then some.

You guys are literally REACHING for reasons to twist this and make me look badly, I could have sat and done NOTHING to help her --- like my comments said in detail.

This is brutal a handful of you.

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pfunk (72) 7 years ago

If you're asking for charity you have to be ready to face some scrutiny.

$0.13

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

No.

Balanced scrutiny. Not this.

This is 3-5 people who decided to take issue to FIND and MANUFACTURE a problem, where none existed with rhetoric and half truths.

3-5 people who have downvoted this and taken money from Dian, where no post existed prior, when I decided to use my stake (so to speak, none that I have bought, all that I have earned) to step out and help --- when they did not. You included.

As I type this there is 1028 votes, a handful of those are DV's by whales like you taking money from her. That is a fact. Not opinion.

And the same handful of people are now trying to FORCE their opinion on me, on what to do, with my post to help someone out and made this about me, when it is not.

The same people who have done nothing to help her the last 12 days, but now jump in..... when my time and effort and heart --- have gotten this on the community radar.

So go ahead, make it about me, manufacture problems where none exist because God knows we don't have enough issues here or other parts of our life.

There is not a lot of balanced debate here on this.... like a lot of things it seems.

TLDR Good:

The good: I have raised SO MUCH awareness of her and can see the donations, comments, votes on her comments and posts thru the roof, she is at least getting set up nicely that way. I could have sat like I said and done NOTHING.

Nite man.

$0.00

pfunk (72) 7 years ago (edited)

What's not balanced? People are scrutinizing your pledge to give specifically the liquid rewards on this post. Meaning the SP you gain from it, 50% of the post's payout value, will go to you.

You've notably avoided responding directly to that one issue, which I think every person questioning this post has mentioned is their primary concern.

You also haven't addressed the fact that the person you are seeking to benefit told you that their father was already laid to rest and you made this post anyway.

$0.53

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

You've notably avoided responding directly to that one issue, which I think every person questioning this post has mentioned is their primary concern.

I have addressed it in my numerous and lengthy replies, to some extent --- maybe not the way YOU like it.

But I have also decided this post has once again unearthed the clear centralization of power on this platform in numerous ways.

I will not be bullied by 3-4 people who violently try to force their solution on me, sully my reputation and lie about me, as well as wilfully misdirect the Steemit community.

That was something I was thinking about today struggling thru physio where my mind needs to go somewhere else during the painful stuff I deal with. It became clear to me, my blog post, on my page, was taken over by nasty comments and some hooligans, with their boorish behaviour -- who forced their opinions on me, like I say and wilfully lied and or misdirected people -- harming the post and my reputation which is hard to build.

I have been one of the most active people on here --- and you pick this post to actually interact with me.

Funny that.

You also haven't addressed the fact that the person you are seeking to benefit told you that their father was already laid to rest and you made this post anyway.

Yes I have. Check the comments. I am about done babysitting this post, I have invested A LOT of time here responding to people who clearly don't want to hear what I have to say.

The witch hunt and wordsmithing is just about done.

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rafkimuhammad (53) 7 years ago

Great post

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pjheinz (66) 7 years ago (edited)

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@barrydutton/donation-post-proof-of-payout-tonight-dianargenti-paid-out-as-promised-extra-sent-tonite-as-well-as-the-extra-sbd-sent-to-her

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Post payout plus the extra:

Hi Dian,

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community. Have a good weekend my friend.

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blockcodes (37) 7 years ago (edited)

Hypocrite pfunk

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4 votes

son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago (edited)

I have to say, I don't feel comfortable with this at all after reading that she will only receive the liquid rewards from this post. I have a memory of you doing this before for someone else and I instinctively upvoted it just because I trusted it was legit. But now that I realise you are taking the liquid rewards from this, it is hard to look at it as anything other than self-serving.

I do hope I am wrong, because I have previously thought you not the type to do such a thing. But I don't see why you would approach this supposed act of generosity in a manner that ends up with you making more money than most of us have earned on here in months.

If you start a power down right now and commit to paying her the full amount earned in STEEM and SBD, I will vote, resteem, and make a small donation, as I don't have a lot to give currently.

If you decide not to do this, then I suppose your true intentions will become evident. I will check back later to see what is going on.

$14.29

18 votes

acidyo (80) 7 years ago

I agree with this.

A few things that made me not want to vote on this post is the fact how he keeps trying to guilttrip the community that we "dropped the ball" several times. Yet he hasn't even re-steemed the original post to help it get more attention, nor does he ever seem to use that feature.

Not a single mention that he makes 50% of the rewards and is probably not going to powerdown due to it even though the original post was 11 days ago so he could've done it preparing for this post to be able to donate 100% of its rewards.

Our votes do not cost anything -- yet they mean so much to some people --

I don't think he understands how the steemit economy works, the value of the currency doesn't hold up magically like fiat money.

To top it all off, the spam of his own tipping addresses at the end made me just go "nope".

I'm going over to vote on her posts instead.

$3.10

10 votes

son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

After I commented, I scrolled down to have a read, and I did notice a lot of this guilt tripping you speak of. Comments like "Bernie flagged this 3 times or Dian's family would have more."

Now, this is quite clearly attempted emotional manipulation, which I do find to be very unbecoming. However, I didn't want to jump to any conclusions, because there is a chance that the manipulation was done for her and her family.

But when you tell me that after all that, he did not even resteem the very post that this is apparently about making up for, I think that is enough for me to make a decision. I am very disappointed.

I will go and do the same as you.

$1.47

6 votes

dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

Hi there sir I do really thank u for your kind consideration about this for me to have more or all of the rewards given. And I am sorry if I wasn't been able to resteem the post my friend Barry did for me for I was in the province where there is no signal and internet and just got back yesterday. Sir when I found out that what happened about the blog post of my brother @barrydutton cuase him so much I don't know how to address and handle the issue for I am just an ordinary steemians who asked for help to my good friend Barry. I do post blog asking for help and favor and I do thanked already who have good hearted like you who give their support and I do already knew at hand that my brother barry plan to post in his page for my favor and give me the liquid rewards as he promised to me. Sir many of you in here is a big person in steemit who also have the willingness to help. but if the issues is just by given me the liquid reward which I already know at first is no big deal for me but instead it is a very big favor in my side. My good friend Barry already helped me a lot.but when he finds out I didn't raise the fund which I needed even before it he already plan to do the post and I do thank him for that for in my side I think it is too much for him to do. If ever he gained some for doing this is it isn't right for him for he also deserved it? There is no issues in my side about what I can have and
what he will give to me, for I also don't want to get all it is greediness. If only I can handle all the expenses and the needs I assure everyone they won't see me or read my post asking for help. For us who really needs it,it is really ashamed and sad that many thinks we are beggar begging for help. Many said we are begging like beggars even if the truth is we do really need help.many comments arises differently saying good and bad. But my heart broke reading some of nasty comments about those who asked for help and they compared as like beggars begging. Sir if I can
only handle the expenses and others i won't asked for it, but i only asked as I said to my friend and to others a good steemians like you who have the heart and understanding to help and won't compare us to beggars begging for
a little money to survive in their daily needs. I won't say this will only be my post asking for help for I am just and ordinary person and I don't hold the time of what will happen in the future. But the event of what my good friend Barry done for me to help me arises many issues and different views. It was being misunderstood in his side, for all I know he only wanted to help but instead his reputation and names was being harm. Sir u are one of those I have knew thru my friend Barry and I guess you also knew I exist in here because of him if I wasn't mistaken. Sir it makes me feel so sad that helping me cause my good brother too much on his side. And the only way that I can return the favor that he did for me is to let you know and others that I still needed the help he do and I do know that I won't get the whole of it and it is also my one way of thanking him for I know he can raise more fund for me because he had more friends, followers and know big ones and person here in the community like you which he thinks can help. Hope sir you reconsidered the thoughts I wanted to convey to you and give my good friend and brother what is due for him for helping those who needs like me. A very much thank you for your concern, and hope issues will be settled in a nice and fruitful ideas to be tackled into. More power and GOD BLESS. HOPE YOU WONT GET MAD at me.

$0.19

son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

I am very sorry that this has turned into something that has led you to feel the need to type such a long comment. It was never my intent to influence people to remove their upvotes, nor to add to downvotes, so I am really bothered by the fact that my words seem to have cost you money that you could really use right now.

I had only hoped, and in truth, even expected, that Barry would simply offer you the entirety of the funds raised for you. I understand that you personally have no problem with Barry keeping half of the money, and would still be grateful for what he has done for you. regardless.

The issue here for me stems from my inability to believe that this has been done for you at all. While Barry may claim this is a standard model for fundraising on Steemit, that does not mean that it is the best model. I simply wanted you to receive all of the funds earned, and regret that all this has happened as a result.

I do feel that I was entirely reasonable and civil with all my words to Barry, until the point where he posted a very long message to me that ignored the issue of paying you the whole funds, and instead focused only on insulting me and trying to manipulate readers.

It is for this reason that I responded in kind, but in retrospect, I realise how unproductive this approach was to attaining the goal for which the initial comment was intended to achieve. I have no more interest in speaking with Barry. I believe that every message he has sent me has not actually been for me, but for the readers.

This entire thing has become nothing to do with raising money for you, and instead it has somehow become about defending Barry's character. I am sorry that you have for some reason been led to believe this is important, but it is not. I cannot be convinced that Barry's actions were not self-serving, because I have witnessed Barry's actions.

The only important thing here is you, and I have, intentionally or not, lost you some money that you could really use right now. I wanted to offer you a donation to make up for this, but this week I had my own unexpected outgoings to the vet and I could not. The SBD in my wallet is also pledged to users who engaged on my posts over the last week. However, I noticed that I seem to have made $40 o $50 dollars simply from commenting on this issue, and so all that I have earned through commenting on Barry's post and my own post about you, shall go to you. I will be able to give you the full amount, not just the liquid, because I have no intention of stopping my power down after this shit. I know this will not be enough to cover everything I lost for you, buy hopefully, if Barry is finally able to commit to giving you the full amount, then that should do a much better job of balancing things out.

I am very sorry for your family's loss, and please do not feel obligated to actively try and resolve any issue here. You do not have to defend Barry's character, even if he sought you ought and asked you to come here and do so. You should have said no, because you have more important things to worry about and this must just seem like the silliest shit ever to be spending your time on.

$0.00

dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

Sir reading this reply from you makes me.important which I felt I am in this matter. But for what happen and for the issues that was being arise maybe has a good thing that result. Please you don't need to repay back what was lost for I know you only think what's best and also turns out can I call it disaster? Hahaha, I don't mind at all for I also win hopefully a friend in you. You and him is different in other way. I may not care if u don't talked to others but I wish and hope what we have started will continued. I will be so grateful if u drop by and comment even if you will not.vote hahaha. My page is bz because of you guys and I'm thankful of it now they noticed me, hahaha! Have a good day and be blessed.

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enjar (69) 7 years ago

I’m confused. Is this the resteemed your talking about that never happened?

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acidyo (80) 7 years ago

I must've missed the re-steem. Wasn't the main argument vs his behavior and the way he handles criticism against keeping 50% of the rewards.

$0.03

son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

I'm confused about why you chose to send this to me. It was not I who stated that it was not resteemed. However, I should have verified the information before making an opinion. Still, this is irrelevant, I just read his reply to me and I know what I need to know.

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runridefly (72) 7 years ago

I've been sick to my stomach since I read @berniesanders comment. I totally agree with @berniesanders except for the @barrydutton being a twat. I don't regret upvoting or resteeming this post, but I want @barrydutton to give his entire payout to @dianargenti. I see the photograph of her father and see the payout and it rubs me wrong. I feel better reading your comment.

$0.81

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Hi - Here is what I sent to Dian after the post payout tonite, just keeping you in the loop:

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community. Have a good weekend my friend.

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azfix (65) 7 years ago

The rewards just need to go directly to @dianargenti as I mentioned a few comments below, if you want them to go to her directly vote on her latest content. I give @barrydutton credit for giving her more exposure but I am disappointed in him for not giving her all the rewards.

$0.36

son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

Interestingly, I just went to vote on Dian's active comments and I came across a correspondence between the two where he asks for her blessing to make this post.

To which she replied;

Hello my @barrydutton were ok for now don't worry about us though trying hard here but we can cope up with a little help from the senior citizen which my parents is a member. Don't worry my friend I guess wat I have save from here is a big help already at least. We been able to delivered him in his final rest. His seems quite like sleeping and he rest calmly. I don't know how to thank u my friend I'll post my blog soon thanking everyone especially you. God bless u with your kindness. I'm fine now, and I'll be alive soon :)

So according to that message, she said no. Unless there is a later comment where she changed her mind that I missed, I think this is all the evidence one needs to see that this is not about helping her at all. She did not even want this, based on that comment.

$3.93

5 votes

azfix (65) 7 years ago

That is really sad if that is indeed the case, using someones death to profit is pretty low in my book. My votes still went to her posts instead of this one as I am not sure how much of this will really get to her anyways.

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago (edited)

I don't doubt that she will get the liquid, but yes, that is my main problem with this. Seeing another human's death as a potential exploit. This fucking world we live in has us exhibiting the very ugliest versions of ourselves. I don't even blame Barry. I blame the world that we have allowed to develop around us. It's all our faults.

$2.92

17 votes

king-crypto (56) 7 years ago

It really shows what kind of human that barry guy is.

Like, the worst of the worst of humans do that kind of thing.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Read my blog and look at my comments, instead of 2-4 people here inciting problems -- some of whom just don't like me.

That will show you....

It really shows what kind of human that barry guy is.

Not a handful of comments. Look at the body of work.

Unbalanced statements from a handful of people like this manufacturing a problem, do not help Dian, Steemit, or the community here.

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dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

Sir I'm so sorry if I'm confusing and not being understood for English is just my third language and I can't fully put in words what I wanted to say which is so hard for I can't fully let out my feelings. About that comment before that I already know that he will do a post for me. And didn't mention in there that I still need the favor he wanted to make for I already felt ashamed because he already did a big part in helped me, but still know he will made the post to give me more help even if I will asked him or not because he said it so to me before and I'm still hoping for it. I may not exactly asked him to do it but I also don't say don't so it for we have understanding in our own language that given help is also given favor to each other. I'm winning a friend in you for you are indeed also a good person as I can see it. And it is hard to me to see that issues about this arises to both parties. If this need to be cleared up in one single words to have peace between then this is the one word that I came up to ease the tension. I still do need help the help which Barry did for me and I'm so thankful and grateful for him for doing so. For he only do the promise he made for he knew I still need it. And you are one that I will thank for, for you do give me your support and favor and I am so glad I have known someone like you too. I do not know how to ease the arguments which was being brought up in this blog post everything seems cloudy and I couldn't Express to everyone what I wanted to say. But u are one of important person which I must address for u only want what's due for me and thank u so much for that. I'll be okey and time of what I can have Tru my friends Barry post and for it will be a big help in my side and this is the last post about asking help and favor for me for we both go on of what we had not all do here in the community. Assuring what help I can keep and have from my post before and from my friend Barry's post will be properly utilized and used to it's purpose. Thank u so much.

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago (edited)

There is no argument. I stopped replying to him days ago when I realised this was just about defending his character to ensure that he can use this model for fundraising again without questions.

I have the deepest sympathies for you and your family, @Dianargenti, but I am not going to have a proxy discussion with Barry through you. Please stop allowing yourself to be manipulated so easily. The very fact that he is leading you to believe you have to come here and defend him shows that to him, his image is more important than your suffering. If you cannot tell at this point that he is using you and your dead father, I really don't know what there is that I can tell you to make you see. Perhaps you are already aware, but feel you are stuck defending him until he gives you the liquid rewards. I don't know anymore. But this has all become too ugly and I want nothing to do with it any longer.

I will donate all the money I have earned from comments on here to you. Beyond that, I would quite like to be completely removed from this entire situation, so you will forgive me if I do not participate in this charade any longer.

My best wishes go to your family.

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dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

Sir my deepest thank you for coming here over to let me know. And thank u so much for the very concern you have showed to me and my family I cannot say anything but I am very grateful knowing you. You don't need to say sorry to me, it's me need to apologise if it made u a little bit hope just a little if I come in there and made comments to clear him. I won't say the name coz I guess it will make your eyebrow raise :) (peace). It's only my one way of given him what I also think I must have done for I also known him as a good one. And yes indeed let's make it stop. Thank you so much. Sincerely yours, me! :)

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bdl1165 (42) 7 years ago

i am with you there, this is a scam

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

Well I didn't say it is a scam. I am being optimistic here and hoping that my suspicions are unwarranted. But we will know soon enough I suppose.

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bdl1165 (42) 7 years ago

i saw and upvoted this post about a month ago at that time the value was somewhere around 800 dollars, this post was 42 minutes old when i first saw it yesterday and the value was in the 300 dollar range.

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

I read this about six times and I am still utterly confused. Are you sure you said what you meant to say?

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bdl1165 (42) 7 years ago

i am saying that about a month ago this exact same post popped up and at the time that i saw it a month ago the value that was assigned to it was somewhere in the 800 range, and then i saw that same post yesterday , and the value at that point was 300 so it appears that someone is reposting this around once a month to get money.

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

When you say the same post, you don't mean also raising g money for Dian do you? Was it another charity case?

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bdl1165 (42) 7 years ago

exact same post exact same pictures.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

You actually have no idea what you are talking about, or you are spreading false info purposely for some reason, I cannot imagine any other combination here is possible.

Dian is not the type of person to put up a post like this twice, nor am I so like Son of Satire is saying - you must be confused here or something else.

That said, with now way over 300,000 users -- more content (and scams) will show up as any platform grows.

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dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

good day sir, if u think doing a favor for a friend to help is a scam then I don't know how to you explain to you my part. is being dead is also a scam? Please think for I know my brother and been here for a while knowing him. Thank u for ur good thoughts.

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weirdheadaches (59) 7 years ago (edited)

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

You are removing your support for Dian when you DV this or remove a vote. That is the reality.

Read my blog and look at my comments, instead of 2-4 people here inciting problems -- some of whom just don't like me.

Not a handful of comments. Look at the body of work.

Unbalanced statements from a handful of people like this manufacturing a problem, do not help Dian, Steemit, or the community here.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Hi - Here is what I sent to Dian after the post payout tonite, just keeping you in the loop:

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community. Have a good weekend my friend.

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dianargenti (64) 7 years ago

good day to all good steemians, first i would like to say thank you but i really don't know what to say to my friend and brother @barrydutton. really i dont know how to address the issues that is being came out from this post which he did for me thinking to help me to gain more fund which i do really needed. i would like to emphasize and clear things to everyone who doesn't or maybe know a few about. my good friend and brother barrydutton knew i was not been able to raise funds which i need and prior to my recent post im asking him to help me resteem my post for i knew he had many followers and he had more friends than me that maybe can help and give their favor. and yes indeed many have come and vote, give their sympathy and favor and for that it was already a very big help and favor in my part for doing so in my behalf. and he already mention on our previous conversation that he is trying to post on his page and give the liquid rewards that he can get to me. my millions thank to say for him was not yet over for i know deep inside he will do it for me, because i believe he do think of us my family and wanted to help more. i may say in my reply to him a very much thank you and doing post to his page i guess is too much favor already but i do know that he will make for i know he keep his promise and he will do favor just to help others.

in my heart i am so grateful for i know he will do the post for me, for he knows what i have gain or raise from my post wasn't enough and he wanted to help my family. i was in grief yes indeed for my fathers passing, but when i read and found out what was happening in here, in his post for me and especially on him makes me more sad and felt so down. i wasn't been here at the time he needs me because i felt he needs my attention to clear thing up. mix emotion or anxiety to put it all for i know the one good man, a friend and the one who treated me as a sister and family in this community was being drag down, flagged and down voted for what was he think is good and right thing to do to help me.

my good friend @barrydutton is not just a good steemians friend but i family who we can turn to when we need help. for my almost 1 year here on the community i wasn't asked any favor or anything, (crying) i post and contributed what i have to let the platform be more fun and happy place. i was very much lucky that i have found and knew barrydutton whom i know is also have a names in here noticing me and became a friend and a brother.

i can't say all things that i wanted to say for now, for i've got limited time but i just wanted to say and asked this.

"for flagged, down voting the post like this, which @barrydutton thinks in this way he can help me more to reach the funds that i needed...... "have you helped me or those who also needed?"

i hope all of you who are big ones and done some, please reconsidered for me in my own personal opinion its a greedy thing if i do get all the rewards from this post. steemit community is a give and take to help, he helped me maybe it is not too much if he can have the other rewards for his as also my one way of saying thank you and as my gratitude for doing it so....

my friend and brother @barrydutton is a good person, a good soul and i believe in him for he do it with his heart and good intention to help.

i hope your hearts will open and please considered for all i know from the first time before this post have done for my behalf and favor, that liquid reward is given to me and that was a very big thing and favor to help me. and i appreciated for what he done! some of you who do the flagging or down voting i am sorry but i guess you will never knew me nor never been in my page or noticed me before this happen. but still thank you, and give my brother @barrydutton what is due and good for him. He is a good steemians who give and contributed so much in the community.

God bless you all.

and im sorry if it cause you too much my friend and brother @barrydutton

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zeidlitwhips (51) 7 years ago

Hey Dian, thank you for this comment and explaining everything n I hope you get all the help from the big names and I will continue upvoting your posts and @barrydutton. Take care

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dianargenti (64) 7 years ago (edited)

Thank u for ur thoughts and understanding my friend. It just sad to know that some other who is in the community thinks that steemit became a charity, but it is not because those like me who really needs help only asking the help from our friends and to those who have the hart to give favor which I think don't harm in their returns. Good for them they don't need help and they are fortune enough to have for their own if they needed. But I don't know why some is so inconsiderate to those who are in need and making a fuss about it. In fact they have a choice to vote or walk away and not to vote silently yes indeed they are entitled for their own opinion but us who need help don't need their nasty comments for me alone myself hurt if other said we are begging for money, "begging" if they think it's the same for asking help of favor then it's their own limited thinking good for them.

Thank you for the support and steem on. Huh I want to smile for it made big issues over their but I felt sad for my friend who's name was being drag down just because of helping. God bless, my friend.

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hopehuggs (67) 7 years ago

@barrydutton's heart is in the right place. He does not deserve this abuse. Plenty of people have done pay it forward posts like this before and have not faced such criticism. I love how Steemit pulls together and helps people in need. I've seen it several times and its really warms my heart. People just coming into Steemit are seeing this post and the cruel comments directed at one person trying to help. Now that really doesn't help anyone. If I could I would give Barry the biggest hug ever and let him know that there are still plenty of people who believe in him.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

You are the only person who has actually not just colluded with some others and just tried to be fair and actually stick up for me.

And I thank you for that, because this has literally made me sick. I have done the best I can, and the people that have turned on me, have really disappointed me, and hurt me, as if this is ALL my fault.

The problems here continue to come to light no matter how reasonable someone can be, pointing out the issues some of us have here --- and in the past.

Thank you for this @hopehuggs. It means a whole lot to me.

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clayboyn (70) 7 years ago (edited)

It's almost like if you aren't lucky enough to know one of the select few whales in the cartel, you're shit out of luck when it comes to needing help from the steemit community. I already learned that lesson previously. You know opportunistic generosity is just another way to pretend to give a fuck, but I don't think most of them get it. I'll support this is I try my best to support these issues when I am aware of them and hopefully we can raise awareness.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Buddy, you have one of the biggest hearts on here ---- and those of us fortunate to know you, and have taken even a little bit of time for you-- have truly learned this.

I hope people reading this -- take time and follow you and check your blog posts.

#BroHug

for my family here!!!

and Dian too if she wants one but it cannot be a bro hug!

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Well it was flagged by Bernie's powerful accounts several times, who took time to comment today, you can read the comments they pinned to the top of the replies here.

What I am saying is the post would have made more for our friend here in our community.

Kindness counts.

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nasrud (64) 7 years ago

upvote me

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Stop spamming posts like this.

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

Stop spamming posts ~~like this.~~

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bluelightbandit (61) 7 years ago

Well said and true...

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jgr33nwood (47) 7 years ago

Pretty pathetic that people find the need to twist Barry's words into BS. Someone needs help, and they're getting it: so you see it and DV it? Go look at yourself in the mirror, chances are you don't like what you see. Up-voting DOES NOT cost the Steem investors in ANY way. The logic in half of this rebuttals could easily be disproved by the white paper. No, I would not go on FB or TWIT or IG and ask for donations, because there is no basis or possibility on those forums. This is Steemit, and to compare this platform to any mainstream social media platforms is HORRIBLE. If you think Steemit is Facebook you're severely disillusioned. This IS what Steemit was created for, ETH made wells for the underprivileged and created a sponsorship for a driver, why can't Steemit and Steem help someone on the other side of the world? The depth of people's understanding blows my mind, and the fact that people drop in to DV and then try to explain their reasoning geeks me out. I literally laugh out loud reading these people. "Oh I downvoted because I saw a lot of people asking for donations." Seriously? I saw a lot of homeless people in my town asking for change, does that mean that none of them deserve a chance? Goes to show that even after enlightenment through the world and lifestyle of blockchain people are still bitter and ignorant to other's needs. Thank you @barrydutton for helping others!

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zeidlitwhips (51) 7 years ago

You really did a great thing with this post @barrydutton, just goes to show how a little humanity from all of us goes along way to help someone. Yesterday the post was at $280 when I saw it for the first time and today it's at $580+. We really hope it helps you @dianargenti, I wish I could do more but I'm just a small steemian and a minnow. Take care 👍

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azfix (65) 7 years ago (edited)

I encourage people to vote directly on @dianargenti new posts so all the money goes directly to her. She has two new posts that you can vote on to help get trending if you really want to make sure the most money is given to the one that needs it.

Here are her posts if you want to directly upvote content that will give $$$ directly to @dianargenti
https://steemit.com/poems/@dianargenti/my-turn
https://steemit.com/thank-you/@dianargenti/my-deepest-and-sincerely-thanks-to-everyone
Lets upvote and resteem her content so the most is given to the one that needs it!

zeidlitwhips (51) 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks for this, it's definitely the right way to make sure @dianargenti gets the most benefit out of her posts. I went to her page and upvoted 100% for the ones you mentioned here. In all honesty if it wasn't for @barrydutton I wouldn't know about @dianargenti situation. Anyway thanks again and have a great weekend 👍

azfix (65) 7 years ago

Awesome, I personally would like to see all the rewards go to @dianargenti from this post not just the liquid ones. The best way to give her the most is to vote for her content. @barrydutton profiting partially from this just kind of rubs me the wrong way, not enough to downvote/flag this post but it makes me take note.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Thanks again ZW. (:

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zeidlitwhips (51) 7 years ago

Welcome always @barrydutton. I upvoted Dians comment and I'm going to write her a small reply. I'm going to continue to upvote her posts and yours too even though I'm a tiny minnow😀. If we all go against helping one another on Steemit as a community then it will fail in the future but if we are considerate with each other we will succeed as Steemians. Tk care n see you soon

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Thanks for the considerate comments on this, this has been terrible but has unearthed and confirmed some very consistent problems here --- and how if someone is targeted, censorship and FORCE --can easily happen.

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zeidlitwhips (51) 7 years ago

Your welcome mate and you are totally right because it seems if someone tries to do something good to help another human being you can be targeted and made to pay for it. Very sad fact here, it's like an authoritarian system being displayed on Steemit.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Only by the few, not everyone.

But correct.

Thanks my friend.

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

I want to add that if you have a weak vote and feel you want to give more, you can also help by voting on her comments over the last 7 days.

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azfix (65) 7 years ago

Very good idea, I wasn't even thinking of that! :)

barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

It is a good idea, others have been doing this and I have UV her posts for weeks just to help her out long before this issue came up in her life.

I gave a lengthy reply above, since you are so vocal against my efforts.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Well it was flagged by some powerful accounts several times, who took time to comment today, you may have read the comments they pinned to the top of the replies here.

What I am saying is the post would have made more for our friend here in our community.

I think we could all be kind to one another and help each other and achieve good things daily. There is no reason why we can't.

Thanks for the nice comments.

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zeidlitwhips (51) 7 years ago

You're welcome bro, yeah I just saw the flagging and the top comments by the big account holders. Doesn't matter though because we all still got to help. Have a great weekend @barrydutton

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imamaii (55) 7 years ago (edited)

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enjar (69) 7 years ago

Dianargenti dad died and she is struggling with financial costs of it. Here you are baiting for upvotes on top comment. Did you even read the blog? I hope you don’t do this all over the place

Well I hope my comment gets you ALL the attention your greed desires.

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thenepaliguy (34) 7 years ago

Why don't you just flag her?

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enjar (69) 7 years ago

My flag wont hide the comment, and I don’t want start a flag war with someone either. So I just pointed it out. I’m just a little guy.

I don’t want push my own agenda and political views on spam in a blog that is there to help someone in need. I made one exception for this as I was disgusted by it.

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son-of-satire (69) 7 years ago

It is no doubt an automated account. Bots do not discriminate when it comes to what posts they spam on. Trending posts will certainly do.

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berniesanders (77) 7 years ago

@barrydutton why don't you just give her all of the rewards you've sucked out of the reward pool with your previous bullshit posts? Don't you think that would make more sense than raping for even more funds than you already do?

Also, when your signature is longer than your post, you know you've got nothing to spew but nonsense... Pathetic twat.

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azfix (65) 7 years ago

Well said

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robyneggs (66) 7 years ago (edited)

Please note -- I will have limited internet access for awhile -- so PLEASE do not be upset that I cannot reply right away, or to everyone. I am dealing with some changes, and will have limited time online and will be happy if I get a few blog posts up a week.

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king-crypto (56) 7 years ago

What kind of person puts every single crypto deposit key he has into his signature..

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

We're gonna make this right as a Steemit Family!!!!

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roccofalcone (-3)(1) 7 years ago

I am completely broke and cannot really contribute. But I upvoted this post and resteemed. In reaching more people she might get more help.

soulsistashakti (63) 7 years ago

Best wishes

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

It all helps!!!!!

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firzee0717 (28) 7 years ago

Hii @baarydutton successful greetings
Nice to meet you

#introduce my name @ firzee0717,
I come from #aceh Sumatra.
Welcome to #steemit for those of you who want to succeed here, I also want the same thing.
I'm also new here #Steem is still a lot to learn from seniors.

Nice to meet you all !!
Please help to promote me
And Please for others follow and Upvote My account @ firzee0717
I love you all

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king-of-kings (36) 7 years ago (edited)

The smiley face emoji wearing glasses in your post made it seems like a fake story.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Kindness counts.

I use that smiley in many of my posts.

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papa-pepper (80) 7 years ago

Over $500 and climbing. Way to go Barry!

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

This was flagged by Bernie's powerful accounts several times, who took time to comment today, you can read the comments they pinned to the top of the replies here.

What I am saying is the post would have made more for our friend here in our community.

I think kindness counts.

My comments / replies were even flagged down.

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jgr33nwood (47) 7 years ago

This is pathetic. Bernie needs to use his status for good, not DV'ing whatever you don't agree with. I love how everyone's reasoning is direct contradiction to what DV is for.

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

Hi - Here is what I sent to Dian after the post payout tonite, just keeping you in the loop:

I paid you out within about 5 mins of the post being paid to me -- Here is the post I did on it for the community. Have a good weekend my friend.

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yeezianity123 (37) 7 years ago

good luck

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barrydutton (74) 7 years ago

I donated some more funds last nite directly to Dian here - from my steem wallet.

This is disappointing on many levels here how I have been labelled and namecalled and slandered - because a chosen few people decided to try and force their opinions on me --- and stood by while I was namecalled and both Dian and myself pay a price for this.

This has really saddened me.

Eventually like I last said last nite --- it seemed to turn into why it is OK for a few people, to FORCE their opinions on someone as to how to write or format a post - donation or otherwise when the normal donation template most people use here -- I tried to explain.

Eventually one man gets sick and tired of the FORCE and namecalling and in some cases the LIES spread about --- and I speak out.

While everyone sits back, says nothing, despite my work here to try to explain things.

The attacks on me, and the issues of FORCE comes up again as an issue - as well as the concentration of power here --- some of the usual issues.

I am really saddened by all of this.

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