Introducing the Steem Defender Bot. Designed to Protect Steem From Economic Collapse and Support Minnow Growth (Article)
Here in the Earth Nation, we really love the concept of Steem.
We perceive that Steem has a weakness that may dramatically effect the value of Steem on the open market and make Steem very difficult to sell.
Here’s an example;
A hedge-fund with access to billions of dollars purchases all of the Steem available on the open markets. That Hedge-Fund then places buy orders for Steem at a higher rate, temporarily artificially increasing the price of Steem to 7 dollars per. They then power up a network of like-bots to automatically engage with AI spun content to turn Steem into an automated ROI farm. They start dumping massive amounts of Steem on the market without increasing the demand for Steem or adding any value to the user/content base. Thus devaluing all of Steem.
For this example let’s assume the Hedge-Fund originally buys 100M Steem with 84M USD worth of Cryptocurrency. They then place another 50M into Buy Order for more Steem. When the Price of Steem goes from 0.84 to 7 dollars per Steem because of this move, that 100M worth of Steem is now worth 700M. The Hedge Fund then uses this 700M worth of Steem to POWER UP.
This Hedge Fund intelligently diversifies this Steem into thousands of different accounts to attempt to hide this move to monopolize Steem. The Fund then automates all of these profiles with AI automation and sets up a network of cross-liking and comment upvoting that hides itself from the rest of the Steem community by never upvoting posts enough to hit trending, while also never using any normal tags.
The Hedge-Fund then uses its 700M power to upvote exclusively their own posts and comment content. They start making 70,000 dollars worth of Steem every single day by doing this. 2.1M a month. 25.55M dollars a year.
Based on this example, it would only take a 150 million dollar initial investment to start producing almost 25 million dollars a year. What’s more, 50 million dollars of that initial investment would come back within a month after the hedge-fund drops the buy orders after powering up. That’s a 25% yearly interest bank-account.
We know of Hedge-Funds that are just waiting for the Steem User Base to grow larger so they can safely pull this move off and milk the Steem economy for as much as they can before the increased supply without an increase in demand crashes the price of Steem beneath 1 cent per making it almost impossible to sell.
Because of this Vulnerability we cannot yet bring Steemit to our Greater Network.
Our Solution to this problem is a new variable attached to all Steem accounts. For the purpose of this Example, Let’s call this Variable “Influence”. Every account starts with 100 Influence.
Accounts that consistently either like their own content, and/or continuously like the content of the same accounts, and/or continuously like the content of accounts that have been associated as “bots” will lose influence every week. Accounts that consistently like content from users they haven't liked before gain influence.
Accounts that have an influence score less than 100 have a penalty to their upvote power. At 0 influence a 70% penalty is applied.
Accounts that have an influence score more than 100 have an increase to their upvote power. At the 200 influence cap a 30% boost is applied.
To keep a 200 influence, accounts must engage with totally new users 10% of the time, and engage with users that they have not frequently engaged with 25% of the time.
For users that do not want to spend a lot of time finding new authors, we strongly recommend giving some of your weekly votes towards a curation service that will automatically use your votes to find new users with the best content.
This solution will not only dramatically reduce the ROI from Hedge-Funds seeking to monopolize steem to the point where it will collapse our economic system from flooding the market with steem without increasing the demand for steem…. This solution will also facilitate more support for new authors who are trying to be seen. Which is the other greatest problem Steem faces; It is very difficult to get started here making a noticeable income.
We realize that steemit-upvote bots pose a similar issue. Wherein an hedge fund can inflate the price of steem, use that to get a lot of power up, then delegate their vote to mercenary bots to get the same 25% yearly Interest. However…. This potential problem is much easier to solve, as it is very easy to track these mercenary bots and who is funding them. It is a simple thing to setup a bot swarm to automatically give a 30-50% penalty to these mercenary bots, which will dramatically reduce the ROI for investors to prevent pumping and dumping of Steem on the market.
Our Economic Team also strongly recommends that the Founders of Steem reserve at least 50M steem for the purpose of filling buy orders/placing sell orders at ranges between 2-10 dollars to prevent artificial inflation and manipulation of Steem Value.
We have 2 potential avenues to integrate these solutions into Steem.
Fork/Adjust the Steem Code.
Create a Data Service that automatically compiles all users influence and makes all Steem users influence rating and upvoting habits known to all other Steem users. Then create a swarm of bots that automatically penalize those with low influence while boosting those with high influence.
The Purpose of this Article is to determine whether Steemians support this Solution. If we find the Steem community to be in support we will create this data service and bot swarm software free of charge and Open-source. Alternatively we are open to helping fork the code to include this upgrade.
If you think we are somehow incorrect about our perspective or calculations, let us know. Please list sources from official steem sites to back up your perspective. If you have a better solution to this problem, please share it!
If you agree with our solutions, please show us your support!
I think your argument is flawed from the start. If any hedge-fund decides to go in, you would see many more follow the suit. So a single entity wouldn't be able to do the damage, because now they have to compete against other hedge-funds and financial entities.
Besides the fact that, it would be much more beneficial for any financial entity to implement win-win strategy, and find out being in on Steem would give them financial advantage over others.
Not only that, but as you buy up the STEEM order books around the internet, the price will rise very, very quickly and you reach diminishing returns, like any other thing traded on open markets. This whole post is fantasy.
Thanks @geekgirl for bringing this up. Not only is your argument flawed, @earthnation, but you're also completely skewed morally.
As @inquiringtimes and many others brought up, you summoned every upvote bot there is and used them to push your undeserving content to the top of Trending. And then, you flagged the comments these bots sent to your post.
After paying for the upvotes, why would you ever flag their comments? This is one of many reasons I'm hoping bot owners will take the time to add a blacklist of people who do abusive things like this.
Please stop abusing the rewards pool and promoting scammy content that frankly, will never work.
Thank you,
a concerned Steemian.
@geekgirl @sneak its apparent you missed the entire point of this dialogue. It's not an arguement, its a conversation. A thread to discuss various possibilities and to reach a higher point of community clarity on how steem and all associated mechanisms REALLY works. Since well sourced information on it seems difficult to find.
The problem here is that you essentially imply that STEEM is doomed b/c this can happen; however, this same scheme could be done in so many other markets. What I've seen is that if they were to buy up all the STEEM (or fill-in-the-blank) then there would be none available for anyone else to buy and/or it would be too expensive to sell. Besides, the fact is that probably 75% of STEEM owners won't specifically sell their STEEM (I know it's a grand exaggeration, but if anyone caught wind of such a buy-up then more would HOLD). That's my 2-cents-worth at least.
They'd sell like a mofo if price went to $7, I'd wager.
And whoever bought at that price would lose when the markets correct.
I think that’s accurate.
That's the nature of markets, yes. People buy, people sell.
Thank you @dbzfan4awhile. Yes, the scheme mentioned in our example happens in every big market. Which is why we wanted to know more fully how steem is prepared to protect itself from these larger market influencers.
We see that our enterance hook on this paragraph was.... overwhelmingly strong to the point of creating emotion dissonance. We have retracted our earlier introduction statement to be more neutral. Clearly, the steem community and economy has a lot going for it.
It was really nice to see a lot of information here otherwise unavailable to us. In some time we will release an addition to our steem academy that includes the best information from this thread and other threads.
It also helps when you have great visibility in the community.
so... you came up about $1000 in 22 days by paying for votes... did you really think that's the way this is supposed to work? and now you power down? because we called you out on your behavior? but, you really love steem?
I could only wish to know the right people that would pull me up to $1000. If all that is accurate then it I’m disappointed 😔.
It's hilarious that you're talking about "upvote bots" yet using them as often as possible to upvote your own posts.
I suggest you reconsider this hypocrisy. FYI - on Friday I'll have enough SP back to counter all of your purchased hypocritical votes.
It's also hella rude for you to flag those bots comments just to try to hide them from your post considering they're the ones providing all of your rewards.
Out of all the accounts, I hope that you take this one out first. People may not like you, but you are my hero for calling them out on their shit. Everyone else just sees dollar signs and stays quiet. I don't like scammers, and spammers, and I appreciate what you do.
You are a witness to believe in @nextgencrypto
With love,
shello
"Out of all the accounts, I hope that you take this one out first."
The ability of a whale (or anybody bigger than you) to 'take out an account' is why A. serious authors won't invest their time/effort into steem and B. Steem will never hit mass adoption.
Applauding that behavior is not, in my opinion, in any way supporting Steemit.
Serious authors offering genuine content have nothing to fear. Offering bogus "fixes" to "problems" with totally contrived nonsense, however....
I like to think of the user base on this platform to be its own immune system. The people in this post who are heavily opposed to this idea are people who know what they're doing, and most have done it for years now. Their methods may be....interesting....but the point is they react based on the knowledge they have, not because they don't like outsiders or whatever bullshit. Whether or not it looks like it, they've got the platform's best interests in mind here. Ultimately, if someone doesn't want their account "taken out", then it's best not to do something detrimental or scammy to the system. That's pretty much the gist of it.
"Serious authors offering genuine content have nothing to fear."
That's absurd (or at best, false).
Anybody with more clout than their target can end an account.
See @kerriknox's account. Rep from 60+ to -1, earnings per post from $100+ to $0 because she can't post anything because that the downvoter with 300kish steem downvotes it.
It's great to knock down plagerizers etc. Good.
But am I going to rent delegated SP to increase my visibility etc to speed up my account growth/not waste content with no viewers etc just to have berniesanders or equivalent downvote me because he sees I rented delegated SP or did some selfvoting and downvotes all my ' purchased hypocritical votes'? (or some other guy with some other 'self votes' are bad justification)?
Nope. So I, having been here for a couple months wanting to really like steemit, being a content creator in my own business, am going to keep my content building there and am not going to risk wasting time/effort here.
'I' am irrelevant. I say the above because, again, serious content producers aren't going to stick to a platfrom that is so risky, and mass adoption certainly isn't going to happen while it's so risky.
Then I must be in some way privileged, because I don't find it absurd at all. During the time I've been here - since July of last year - I've been flagged only 4 or 5 times at most, and those were usually either bot downvotes for whatever mathematically random reason that didn't amount to any damage, or because someone just disagreed with some trivial thing that was said, kind of as if one of us were to flag the other of us just because we disagreed. It's lame, but it's allowed. I've just avoided the drama and done pretty well, I suppose. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not unhappy with what this place has done for me since I've been here. So perhaps it just depends on the perspective we each have and what value we assign to this place on a personal level. I've got art and photography and music for days, so I just keep posting.
So from your perspective, an author with a rep of 60+ and $100+/post having their account destroyed by a single individual is what exactly?
Do you think that steemit is going to thrive when anybody's hard work can be wiped out with no protections or recourse?
Also, you did notice that your 'has nothing to worry about' claim has been proven false, yes?
One has to wonder: what about the post is drawing flags? I have yet to really see someone get flagged for no real reason, as if done by some of the low-rep bots I've seen that do it randomly.
Ultimately, everyone is free to vote however they like. And this has proven to be quite the divisive truth, seeing as how the power of the vote is dependent on the user's level of wealth - literally. Being on the bottom end of that deal is not necessarily the best in the world, and I get that. I'm down here too. My vote means virtually nothing - maybe 6 cents right now. But if you're telling me that anyone can randomly be downvoted by a large whale for absolutely no reason and be obliterated when it happens, I'd have to say I don't agree with that because I and many others who post non-divisive posts don't generally experience that. When you post an opinion, you're going to get people who disagree. That's just a fact of having opinions. It's guaranteed some people will disagree. And with a system where everyone has an up and a downvote option to use however they please, guess what? They're going to use it however they please. And those opinions expressed as votes will also have those who agree and disagree. For these reasons - and for reasons of blood pressure and stress - I avoid topics like religion, politics, controversies and conspiracies, who the whales are upvoting/downvoting, etc etc etc. Outside of Steemit, those things have no bearing on my personal life, so why would I add that stress? It's not worth it. I have problems of my own. Steemit is totally an auxiliary experience for me.
Thank you, Bernie!
Such a nonsense wouldn't have ever made it to the trending page without buying the position.
I just wrote an algorithm that naked short sells BTC. I'm going to sell the algorithm to the Citadel tomorrow, so you'd better get out today. :)
i see what your concerns were with a post like this but you could end the bots and still have same problem with the amount of whales that sell their votes and when smts come everyone will be able to sell there voting in some way
This is not about bots, it's about abuse and scam. You may also consider the comments from a bunch of established users here that got much more into detail than I did.
Amount of whales.. Where do you get these numbers from?
I'm pretty sure SMTs are not invented to encourage vote trading but to strenghthen the overall value of Steem. That's at least what I got from the whitepaper and videos so far.
by the amount of whales is from observations if you check transfers to a few whales that vote a lot you'll see many links with "gifts"
but does it really matter if users buy votes by steem sbd or trading votes is happening everywhere
check trending of #meme #fun #story for easy to see examples of this
didn't say was purpose SMTs were invented for but will allow anyone to sell votes without being seen in transfers
Some people fight for noble causes, to bring the Earth and its people to a better place. I see you have other priorities.
I find it genuinely interesting that you find it rude to downvote bots. I'm serious about being genuine: understanding people's value systems is something I really like delving into. What is the source of this perceived rudeness? Basically, I'm asking you directly: why are you spending your most precious resource, time, doing something that counter-acts collective goodness? That doesn't seem like something a rational person does. What do you gain/what do you think you're accomplishing? Why does berniesanders wake up in the morning/what purpose do you want your hands to work towards?
We have actually fostered a relationship with several of the bot owners, so it's not like we're taking what we can get and snubbing the owners. Likewise, we are using this to step into the forefront of Steemit to both grow the entire platform and spread the wealth with our Steemit guild; a process which we have been open and transparent about - even communicating with the developers of the site about the state, growth, and foreseeable problems of the site. From a position of knowledge, I find it very difficult for you to posit a counter argument that does not simultaneously align with the stagnation of the systemic growth of Steemit.
I am glad you are going to take action against this page. They even had the cheek to reach out to my project @paywithsteem asking for a partnership and asked me to send them SBD for it!
It's okay @berniesanders, they just want to tell you who,what,when, and why to vote for someone. After all you are not Smart enough to do it yourself.
@berniesanders We'd like to reflect back to you the hateful nature of your perspective. Were doing the best we can to share positivity and fantastic ideas/articles and thoughts with our shared community.
Why do you spend so much of your time and energy attacking us?
the reason you are being chosen, is because you use a tag that has nothing to do with your post, and you are a known spammer \ tag spammer \ plaigerist \ upvotebot abuser. that simple
@inquiringtimes we changed the steemfest tag upon your request. Everything we have ever posted is content owned by the EN. What other methods are we using that you consider to be "spam"?
wait for it
There are many different people using upvote bots. What in particular is bothering you so much about our usage of up-vote bots?
@berniesanders we found that having all of the bot comments makes it difficult for this article to be used as a conversation thread. We don't see why its rude to hide those comments, will you please elaborate on why you feel it is wrong for us to clear the comment space for other peoples solutions to be more easily seen?
why the heck would you use a dozen upvote bots in the first place? and then flag them? If i sold you a service, and then you flagged me, I wouldn't want you as my customer.... it's just ignorant.
also, ignorant is hitting your post with every upvote service in the steemiverse.
upvote bots are supposed to help you get a bit of visibility, so other people will read your post and decide to vote it or not. you are using them like a junkie... it's quite a bit more socially acceptable to use them sparingly, and make better content if you don't get enough natural votes.
also, you can just upvote the comments you like and then the real comments rise. I prefer a requested bot comment to some of the bs fake comments, tbh. flagging the vote bots that you paid for? smh.....
Maybe the author wanted to hide the fact that he paid for every vote buying service that exists on this platform to bring this piece of content into a trending position. Also the author used (pardon abused) the tag #steemfest and put the word 'minnow support' in the headline to improve visibility. This author pratices everythig but no minnow support.
The tag abuse might be even an interesting issue for @steemcleaners.
Actually, we decided to do it because we noticed there was an inverse relationship between bot comments and human commenters. We wanted more human commenters to participate in order to give people a voice on the topics we are bringing to Steemit.
This is untrue. Our Steemit guild is designed to support as many people who participate in it. We share our upvotes in strategic sessions, boosting people's content frequently. We're helping a lot of smaller accounts rise up and gain followers quickly.
Dear all,
I make a facebook group for steemit Vot and Comment. evrybody can join in my group. this is the Click the linke ill add you https://m.me/join/AbYsEkpXB2Ys7ahN
this is also spam, and a dangerous thread to be commenting irrelevant material.
There's no hiding the usage of upvote bots. We've removed the steemfest tag upon your request @surfermarly.
We have alot to offer minnnows. We even made a free academy we made for minnows and were developing guild software to support more authors in being seen https://awakening-sovereignty-collective.teachable.com/p/steemit-academy
A simpler way would have been to offer upvotes to human replies and actually help people. Instead, it was chosen to slap the bots.
I didn't request to remove the tag, you were abusing it to get more visibility.
Funny enough that you promote "authenticity" in your super academy, while you are practicing the complete opposite by yourself:
Check out my account @steemaniacs and you will notice: everything that you are pretending to do was already invented and honestly (!) practiced long time before you started.
Actions speak louder than words and this community has an eye on your doings now. Good luck!
Well said mate.
Actually, this is quite funny. Our media agency has noticed that there is an inverse relationship between the number of bot comments and the number of human comments. The more bot comments there are, the less likely people seem to want to comment. Since it is the people we want to get in touch with, to create a relationship with the audience here before our Beta-launch in December, we wanted to encourage commenters as much as possible. We think it's important to create these relationships now, to show how authentic we are, as a side-effect of flipping the switch of our advertising potential is a significant adoption of Steemit by a wider audience.
I find it really interesting that this causes such an emotional reaction in people, which is self-evident by the changes in their written diction when compared to other comments they make. I have to question why that is. What specifically perturbs you about any of the concerns you bring up?
Personally, I feel the majority of people acting negatively are doing so unconsciously: that drama has been stirred up and everyone wants to jump on board and participate in the bashing. It is the thanatos of human nature that desires to call someone a junkie and willingly jumps on such an opportunity that seems favorable without social ramifications of doing so. Because it doesn't make sense that someone who aligns with esoteric philosophy to stand opposed to an organization that is actively promoting esoteric principles in alignment with highest collective good. Logically, in the big picture, it seems most likely that your concerns are arising from a short-sighted position that is not taking into consideration all the potential implications of the Earth Nation actions. Obviously, it's not an us vs them conflict, but to oppose us is to oppose an organization which actively strives to make the world a better place, and has a history of being transparent in how it is achieving this in a manner that grows the site and spreads the wealth with our steemit guild.
In my opinion, that's where real ignorance lies.
the real reason people comment less when there are a lot of bot comments, is because if you have to pay so many bots for your content to be popular, then your content must not be very good. so people see all the bots and think, why does the author think it's so valueless they must pay 10 bots to vote for it, hmm it must not be good content, I won't engage.
pass that on to your media consultants, free of charge.
flagging your paid advertisers is like giving a spanking to people who helped you. I know quite a few bot developers, and I will make sure they know this happens, so they can stop servicing people who "reward" their service with a downvote.
We put the smallest amount of down-vote in to the comments of those bots @inquiringtimes to clear the space for more room for dialogue.
We recommend that upvote bots set an option to not have them auto-comment or a smaller comment box so it doesn't take up so much space.
If our 1 cent flags are somehow harming the bots themselves, we'd be happy to upvote comments to offset the loss.
You can say it's bad logic, but I know these things from a few months of digging deep. This whole site is a deep well of knowledge, first thing first, etiquette. Flags are not to be used in an idle fashion. They are akin to throwing a glove on the ground or taking your glasses off and handing to a friend. It's asking for a fight. If you had been paying attention, there is quite a bit of controversy over the use of bots and providing the service. It's best left for minnows and people who don't have visibility. Now you've opened up Pandora's box. The best way to proceed is to speak softly, and pay more attention to how the rest of the community behaves. Just like in any community. You have a chance to redeem yourself, it's just going to be harder. All eyes are on you now. Cite your images. Reference quotes, stay clear of any hint of plagairism
You are really nailing this dialog man, it's a joy to behold :D
This is very poor logic. Given that any content we have produced is met with a large positive reception, it is safe to say that the content we produce is good.
In fact, the only negative thing people can find about our content is that we use bots. I think that's a pretty solid argument that our content has some sort of quality associated with it.
Again, poor logic. One must ask how we got 800+ followers in a couple short weeks. Because we used bots, we gathered a sizable following quickly. That's decent engagement.
We aren't trying to reach people who act unconsciously and walk away from an article for reasons other than the content of the article itself. The people who would act on reflex to someone using bots are not thinking critically. It's much more beneficial to focus on attracting a following of conscious individuals who realize the use and downvoting of bots is a meaningless detail when compared to everything we are manifesting.
"I was going to walk into the mission and help feed starving people, but I would have had to step on the grass to do so."
If I paid money for a car, and the dealer slapped a big sticker on the windshield, I would take the sticker off. The dealership has my money, so me removing their ad from the product I bought has no bearing on the dealership.
good luck with that.
@earthnation, I believed censorship is a bad thing and that Steem should be an okay place for everyone to get together and collaborate as a community.
You're ridiculing this principle just by being here on Steemit. For the good of the rewards pool and for the good of our community, please stop milking upvote bots and promoting spammy content.
If this guy is honest about helping minnows, then self voting would be beneficial since his steem power will get a boost.
you seem to be confused about how it all works
lol Feel the Bern?
I didn't expect that you will come back here with power. If this is true, then that would be great :)
I will be back to handle this post.
What do you feel when you "handle" these posts?
Why do you feel that way?
Are you "handling" posts for a perceived good, or to unconsciously boost your ego?
Many of us feel relief that someone with a large stake had the balls to do something. He's one of the few, if not only many times.
I perceive what bernie does as being good for the entire platform; and often times I believe they wait to do anything until many of us have complained publicly in chat.
The perception of this project in chat is far different than the hollow praise seen in the comments section here on Steemit.
This is not about feelings here, we're talking about business.
Even a decentralized system has certain rules. Since you set up an academy where you teach newbies how steemit works, you should know better...
Lesson 1: Don't excessively use vote byuing.
Lesson 2: Don't practice tag abuse.
Lesson 3: Don't talk about things you have no idea about.
You had 3 in 1. Congratulations!
You may talk about business, but feelings are definitely also involved here. The way people are reacting is not rationally defined. There is a lot of knee-jerk reactions, and jumping on the collective bandwagon.
From what I know about system sciences and sociology, it seems more likely that a few big players on Steemit, such as berniesanders, have thrown an opinion in the collective pool, and that decides a significant portion of other opinions. This is why discourse is important, so we don't find ourselves trapped in a state of cognitive dissonance as our initial opinions are proven false and we unconsciously protect our egos.
Can you tell me what putting congratulations at the end there accomplished for you? Let me ask that same question another way: do you value your time? If so, why do you steal your own time from yourself by letting yourself be emotionally perturbed by things like this?
We at Earth Nation want to manifest a culture where everyone can achieve their highest potential. Part of this is providing education, and creating opportunities for others to succeed. A big thing that would really help everyone is the adoption of blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies. That's part of what Earth Nation is accomplishing with our systems. Consequently, our actions are going to cause a wider adoption of these technologies, which includes Steemit.
Steemit growing = Business, right?
These are interesting lessons. Can you tell me where they come from? What mind made up these rules?
This is not about me, it's about your piece of content. You can ask me 1,000 things about my state of mind, the answer is: none of your business.
While you believe that I waste my time commenting here, you should appreciate the given advices. There are a couple of established users (even the CTO from Steemit Inc!) trying to open your eyes since a couple of hours, and the only thing you do is telling us that you feel offended.
@ats-david just said it all with his comment.
I'm out.
You're right, but I do feel compelled to reach out and help a person smashing their foot against the wall and complaining their foot hurts.
I'm not offended. Actually no one in the office is offended. We're scratching our heads as to some of these responses: from a place of rationality, they don't make sense.
I can't speak about cryptocurrencies or the intricate details about what's in this article. I didn't write it, it's not my specialty, and I'm not addressing anything in this article. But, I am aware of a lot of other pieces in place that extend beyond Steemit and have a pretty good sense of cause-effect relationships
As an effect of the Earth Nation Beta Launch, Steemit is going to get a lot more users.
:)
Just wanted to let you know I can't wait until you start the destruction. Happy to see that somebody is stepping up to take care of business. Good luck come friday 🤘
Get 'em! I don't have much else to contribute, since it's already been said, but this needs to be nuked into oblivion. They need to be nuked into oblivion.
@berniesanders @inquiringtimes @surfermarly @fulltimegeek @sneak @noisy and the rest of steem.
We love you! We're sorry if our tactics have hurt you, offended you, pissed you off or created other negative reactions.
We don't mean to abuse upvote bots or spam steem. Were the new kid on the block trying to figure out how it all works. Based on what seems to be popular consensus we have decided to stop using up-vote bots the way we have.
We want to engage with you and all of steem in a good way. By adding valueable content and inspiring dialogue. In the future, please be kind with us if we seem to be overstepping any invisible rules (like using up-vote bots too much).
We'd like to point out that this post has become one of the biggest dialogues on Steemit. We hope some of you appreciate this medium for conversation about the future of Steem.
Congradulations to @dj123 for providing the most in depth and well thought out responses as to why the steem economic system is more bulletproof then we originally thought. It will go a long way for Steem to make this information (and other pieces of key informatiom, like how pissed off some people get when you use upvote bots too much) more readily and easily available.
We will be compiling all of this information and more into our Free Steem Academy.
To read what dj123 wrote go to https://steemit.com/steemit/@earthnation/introducing-the-steem-defender-bot-designed-to-protect-steem-from-economic-collapse-and-support-minnow-growth-article#@dj123/re-dj123-re-josephlwiess-re-earthnation-re-josephlwiess-re-earthnation-introducing-the-steem-defender-bot-designed-to-protect-steem-from-economic-collapse-and-support-minnow-growth-article-20171114t145201583z
Not to split hairs....but the longest post just this month alone was @StellaBella at 45+K words, which dwalf the size of this post by more than double the size :)
Steemit: Where Attention Seeking 1st World Post and Angsty Replies Make Opening Steem Links Difficult for 3rd World Country Steemians
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@StellaBella's Post a Sight to Behold for Stirring the
Hornet's/ Steemian's nest: https://steemit.com/deathspiral/@stellabelle/is-steemit-in-an-economic-and-social-suicide-death-spiral@berniesanders @inquiringtimes @surfermarly @fulltimegeek @sneak @noisy and everyone else who is reacting negativley to this posting....
If you want to see the steem community grow.... we recommend trying positive communication instead of immidiantly smashing down on what you don't like.
There is no guide to steem. No list of steem community protocols we've been able to find. No way for us to know what to and not to do.... So we're doing the best we can to figure out how to be here in a good way.
In an move to share an interesting conversation and offer help and thoughts towards solutions for steem.... You have met us with a lot of hate.
In the future, we invite you to be kinder to new people coming into this community offering to share. It will go a very long way towards the growth of this community.
So. Is there a cut off limit of what is too much to boost? At what point can we use mercenary upvote bots without attracting your wrath? If any of our posts hit trending now, are you going to shoot us down?
What will it take for us to be in peace?
@inquiringtimes we changed the steemfest tag since you mentioned that this post is considering spam in that catagory. We'd like you to know we never post plagurized information. We're interested in what else you think were doing that is considered spam by the steem community?
In General.... we want to be on good terms with all of the steem community. If you will just communicate with us how to best do that, that would be great! Please, consider writing a guide on standard community protocols and make that guide available to everyone so new people coming into steem don't have to learn "The hard way" by having all this emotional reactions/downvotes sent their way.
Just stop that. Our community is growing at a healthy pace. We don't need the help of phonies like you and no we are not going to tell you how to maximize your vote buying abuse without getting flags.
It's not really growing at a healthy pace but a snail pace. We don't even have a million users after the first year!
Why do you seem so hurt by us @acidyo? Were on your side too. We don't mean to "abuse vote buying".
Yet you keep doing it after being told that's what it is.
At that point, it's no longer innocent.
Thank you, Winston!
It turns out to become ridiculous. The only statement missing here is "Oh we didn't know that excessive vote buying could harm the eco-system".
Oh man.....!
Why are you so triggered about us and this post @surfermarly?
It's not this post specifically, I generally care for the future of this platform.
We have been convinced! We will not be using up-vote bots in the same way in the future. Thank you for understanding that we did not understand @winstonwolfe
In other words, drink, be merry, and nevermind the man behind the curtain? Just be blissfully ignorant while you scam on?
Will you elaborate on what you think were scamming on about?
Oh yunno, that thing you're doing that you're labeling as "not a scam" even though you're being told very plainly and clearly it's what you're doing by multiple big-hitters on the site (many of whom don't get along, btw - that should say something).
Again, what is the "thing were doing"?
Well it's obviously not listening.
We are trying @winstonwolfe! We are here for you and doing the best we can to play nicely and inspire dialogue while adding value to the community.
Please, give us a break.
Can you tell us about this aspect of your scheme?
✅ Earn 50$ worth of steem power to get started with by joining the EN Steem Team. By joining you also benefit from the advanced academy, our trending post boosting service, upvotes, resteems and support from our entire community (including the EN whale).
✅ It costs 100$ worth of Keys or Keys Credits to join the Steem Guild. Send the Keys to avatareducationteam@gmail.com and fill out the form below to get started.
Sounds pretty suspicious to me...
I'm really glad you paid to have this post put on the trending page. It's getting a lot of great visibility.
We would love to show you what we do and what were really on about over a phone or video call @berniesanders.
The Earth Nation Steemit Guild is a designed to support content creators in earning a basic living income through Steem. We have several layers with which we do this.
Education. https://awakening-sovereignty-collective.teachable.com/p/steemit-academy
This steemit academy is a free general overview. We have an advanced academy and we are developing an Academy for writers/content creation/content curation/content formatting/audience and keyword targeting.
Community Support. We hold globally attendable zoom meetings several times a week to educate and support our guild members with live training, Q&A and general love and support.
Cross-Liking. Our guild members give 7 votes a day towards upvoting each other. We have a custom software system to make this process automatic. 2 times a day everyone upvotes the main EN Whale. The other 5 votes are spent on 5 guild members who's time it is to get boosted. Members get upvoted every 1-2 weeks currently. When a member gets upvoted, every member of our guild upvotes them with full power.
Cross-Resteeming. Each guild member resteems Guild Content 3 times a week. The first resteem is an EN Whale posting. The 2nd and 3rd resteems are of other guild members. Anytime a post is resteemed it is also upvoted by everyone.
Curation. Before any content is upvoted or resteemed, it is curated, proof-read and edited by our writers team to ensure the highest quality content with positive perspectives.
Post Syndication. We currently use zapier, streemian, buffer, and wordpress pluggins to automatically syndicate with post formating our guild members posts to social media sites and wordpress blogs agross the internet. Within weeks we will have a custom application that makes this process a simple 3 step task with unlimited sharing and smart post content formating. This software will be part of the guild automation suite.
I am not very happy to know about the abusive behaviors of @earthnation toward using bots and the reward pool.
However, I do see value in the idea of implementing the influence measure to steemit accounts.
I believe that the advantages from such implementation are worth considering because (in my opinion)
* They will prevent circle and feedback-loop upvotes between whales and Co.
* They will prevent automated votes on the same accounts just for the sake of higher curation rewards, without bothering to read the contents.
* They will prevent @earthnation and others from abusing bot votes to the extreme (if at all)
Now whether @earthnation does this programing/implementation to steemit blockchain or not, is another issue to be discussed. I am sure steemit has lots of good programmer who are able to make such changes without depending on @earthnation. since people don't seem to trust them very much.
@earthnation,
You have started the very wrong way. People are getting fed up with abuse of reward pools and are very ready to attack anyone that does it openly to get attention.
Maybe you were doing this without malicious intent, it will be hard now to get back the respect and trust of steemit. Yet, hard doesnt mean impossible to correct with hard work and sincerity. So, don't make it impossible by continuing on the same path you started with.
Best,
Dr. TLK
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Honestly, I get 15 of those requests a day, 14 of which are more enticing than yours.
My suggestion is that you start making whatever it is you're doing a little more transparent to the community here on Steemit because right now you're looking pretty scammy and those usually don't last long here.
What details would you like @berniesanders? We will happily answer any questions you have. I posted a short summary as to our guild services below.
As you read this, were working on developing more services for steem. We were considering making this defender bot swarm next... However that doesn't seem like a very popular idea right now :p.
Instead, were going to keep focusing on our post distribution system to empower steemians to share their posts easily to other forms of social media.
This post has received a 61.17 % upvote from @boomerang thanks to: @earthnation
@boomerang distributes 100% of the SBD and up to 80% of the Curation Rewards to STEEM POWER Delegators. If you want to bid for votes or want to delegate SP please read the @boomerang whitepaper.
This post has received a 37.19 % upvote from @boomerang thanks to: @boomerang-fund
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@osman28
The value of Bitcoin Cash is easy to see. But you need to look at its value from a FIAT currency perspective and not from a crypto currency perspective if you are going to see that value.
The word "cash" provides the biggest clue. It was no doubt chosen for the new currency because it invokes a sense of tangibility ( and normalcy ) in the minds of people. The target market for Bitcoin Cash is ordinary consumers...
If a dollar had twice the buying power tomorrow, you'd only need one instead of two. Apply that concept to steem.
Downvoting for significant disagreement with rewards. Nonsensical FUD does not warrant the pending reward.
Awesome! I was waiting for someone with power to stand up here and stop it.
Very interesting article! I had a similar idea to make self and circle voting less attractive by implementing diminishing returns, but your post opens a completely new perspective on the possible scenario of hedge-fund attacks.
Super smart solution @jaki01
My thoughts, having read and examined your post closely
Haha, you summed it up perfectly! :-)
Where are these 20+ million followers? If you really had that much followers your website would be used even a little bit, not look like this:
They seem to be about as "popular" as @matttrainer.
Haha, nice comparison :-)
The followers in our extended media alliance are part of the Concious Media Alliance. https://www.consciousmediacoalition.com/ Most notable is collective evolution with more then 5 million followers. https://www.facebook.com/collectiveevolutionpage
I have an easy fix to your doomsday scenario, first, stop powering down or hedge fund will get them. Then buy some liquid Steem, there are many of us doing so and I'm sure many are planning to hold them for a long time. Second, tell your 5 million followers to get some too. If each of them would buy only 2, it would instantly be 10 million Steem off the market and out of reach for any single hedge fund.
That's a fix to your problem you should be advocating and actually is doable. So let's try that.
Buy STEEM? Why would they do that? And how? They likely don’t have much money.
EDIT:
Looks like I was right.
What a marvelous excitement - people start to think ahead!
What happens, if someone hacks into the Data Service ? And what is the definition of engagement ? How would you define that ?
Wow! What an intelligent thought on how this solution could fail. Thank you @sanmi.
Well! Ultimately, our data service would be its own blockchain. However.... our developers work first by making web-based applications.
If our web based app was hacked, we would almost certainly notice it..... and then we would recall all of the votes made by our botswarm so long as we caught the hack within 7 days.
The definition of engagement for the purpose of this example is purely "upvoting".
Then why do you not go and BUILD your own blockchain? If your group has 700 million dollars to "play with". Oh--but then you would already have preset rules for people joining your blockchain, and people would not join because of YOUR rules, so you would never have very many users. Is that why you are trying to tell me and other people on steemit how to, who, when and why to vote for?
I don't think, its going to work. I have a better suggestion for you. If you really have the ability to advertise Steem to 20+ million followers, then go to big brands, like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon etc.
And ask them to reward people in terms of Steem , when someone buys their product or Service. That way, we will have more stake holders in this platform and that will create more trust.
And they will get direct customers so that they can pay here, in stead of what they spend in advertising.