RE: SAVE THE REWARDS POOL! Let's Talk About FLAGGING POSTS! You ALL Should Do It More Often. It Is Your Civic Duty.
I don't agree at all, this would only start a flagging war, and here the most important thing is, how do you discern what deserves a flag? If a buddy of yours copy pastes something, do you flag him? So my post is crappy, do you flag it? Obviously when something comes to a vote it is a subjective matter, what seems insulting to you might seem great to me. Like for example this post, the people who are flagrantly asking for vote will see it as insulting, so should they flag this post? Look at one of the most controversial persons here @berniesanders, many people say he is doing a great service, then he flags them and he becomes an asshole. No I think with flagging all you get is a lot of bad will and nothing positive comes from it. This is supposed to be a free speech platform, if you don't like something ignore the post or mute the person.
I think that you are confused to an extent.
Flagging = Free speech. Freedom to disagree with the payout for what you perceive as shitty content. Do you understand that someone paying themselves several hundred dollars a day for saying lol, haha, cool, literally lowers the rewards pool permanently when it pays out?
When I see someone abusing the mechanism, I will in turn disagree with their payout in terms of a flag, relinquishing it to the rewards pool for the greater good of the platform. If everyone bends over and cowers down, this will continue. You're essentially saying what's equal to a citizenry not rising up against their corrupted leader because they're scared. Somebody has to have a spine . . .
It sucks because you are both right and maybe the system is broken because really there is no "right" or "wrong" but rather just the bigger set of wallets will win. I still love Steemit but now I have to rethink my life.
j/k, not that serious people ;) Great discussions and interpretations of how people are using Steemit itself going on here
Well in the end I think there will be more "good," people than "bad." And eventually what becomes more fruitful? Flagging or getting along and using the platform correctly? I think the latter would win out in the end. We have to find balance somewhere, and I think that it doesn't reside in being apathetic.
Again, what you consider shitty content is subjective I might consider it great, as for someone paying themselves hundreds of dollars, yes it sucks, but then what you should be doing, you that have a lot of power is demanding from @ned that he not permit self upvoting, have a new hardfork giving attention to this, that would solve the problem, and I'll tell you something personally self upvoting a post you consider good is not bad I think, now a comment is different, I upvote my own work at a whopping 10 cents a pop each time, so I'm not getting rich, I always comment because I want my comments replied to or upvoted, it doesn't matter how much I get for the upvote but it helps increase my REP, comments I never self upvote. In any case your flag is worth something mine would reduce the rewards of a spammy post by 10 cents, and I think my money is better spent rewarding posters who only get pennies with a couple more pennies for their efforts.
Sure, "shitty content," is subjective. If I flag something and you don't think it should be flagged, upvote the comment. The system is designed that way. Points can have counterpoints and so on. A flag isn't the end-all be-all.
Just because your vote isn't worth much at the moment doesn't make you worthless. If no one bands together, this all crumbles. It's like saying that voting in an actual fair, transparent election is worthless because you're one person, you know what I'm saying?
Flagging is an option, and I'm not saying EVERYONE go do it, but be more conscious about its existence. Maybe smaller stake holders that want to flag/build themselves could just comment on a shit-post with "someone should flag this for X reason," and some other guy can swoop in and save the day?
@gduran we are talking about people who make a lot of money by upvoting all of their comments, not some newbies that make 10 cents by upvoting their comment.
Like I said previously, it makes me sad to see so many great posts by new steemians that hardly make a couple dollars while someone writes a couple words like "nice post" or "cool" and makes five bucks.
I perfectly understand, but my flagging them will not do much, now if a group of whales or dolphins did this then you could have a measurable effect, otherwise the right thing is for Steemit inc to just not permit self upvoting, at least the comments.
I think it'd be detrimental to disallow self upvoting, it serves a purpose. I'm coming more from the angle of people collectively banding together to "fight for what's right," and let the system balance itself out. Have a war, so to speak haha.
I agree with you and @gduran. It would be easy to hardfork away the posibility to upvote your own comments. Sadly the real heavy wheight whales just make a dozen of ghost accounts, distribute their vestingpower and then they upvote themself completely invisible for others. Sadly this is also the quite easy workaround of such a hardfork and many big whales just will find undercover ways to give the rewards of their investment to themselfs.
And I didnt even talk about the conspiring whales who just upvote each other on every occasion. What is the difference between having 5 accounts upvoting themself on massive scale and the small fish who wasnt clever enough to make 5 accounts ? the minnows get flagged taking away their few cents because they just have 1 account. From this perpective it is NOT fair to let cluster accounts do what they want (distributing all votingpower to themself) and flag the minor users who where not clever enough yet to make ghost accounts. We should also stop then the fact that some people run voting trails to powerupvote their own stories over and over with the trails.
How can a curator of a trail lets say art-trail or german-traiI upvote their own accounts over and over again???? think this is 10 times more unfair and their are some very well known users with very very high reputation doing one of this hidden tactics this day in day out. And thats not about some 10 cents its about 1000s of $ per week. And don´t even think about to ever flag them, because your done within a week. The ones who have 100 times more steempower will win not the most fair distribution.
Hard to find the ultimate solution. I flagged a couple of fakeID accounts spamming and posting the same content over and over or using introduceyourself tag 39 times.
About that, upvoting your own article is something i dont disagree 👎 with, its a show of self love and self esteem but upvoting your own comments is nothing but stealing, then flagging this type of person is the best we can do to help our society, especially the minnows!
Besides agreeing 👍 with you @gduran, this is a social media, not a grading system. If the owner of this article thinks people should flag any article they dont like because of some reasons it will cause serious flagging wars! The guy you flagged his/her post today will hunt your posts for a flagging revenge! And the whole idea of flagging is just like asking social media like facebook to add 'dislike' button 🔳 to their system! Someone might hate something you love. Productivity won't come out of hate!