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RE: Steemit Winter Update: 2017 reflection, our Vision Statement and Mission, and a look forward

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Linear reward

I could be mistaken but here are my concerns.

The current system inevitably advantage those who engage in 100% self-upvote while under the n^2 reward curve those who hold the most SP under 1 account are the one advantaged.

Unless I'm missing something, this inevitably advantage those who engage in self upvote all the time and sooner or later these people will reap the greatest reward and end up being the majority "shareholders".

No policing of such behavior is currently possible because the policing is all at the cost of the "police". Policing becomes more difficult over time while the "abuse" remains risk free and doesn't increase in difficulty.

One other advantage of non linear reward is that it rewards those who concentrate their votes and thus incentivize the very best authors and posts.

The very best information is what really matters. Nobody wants the second best.

Also n^2 reward curve favors larger accounts and thus create some disincentives for selling delegation and votes.

...whales should be encouraged to vote on good content so that it attracts better content, so that their stake becomes more valuable.

...there are still people out there (like myself) trying to find and reward good content, but by doing that I will lose out and my stake will not grow as fast as that of a selfvoter. @felixxx [1]

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The current system inevitably advantage those who engage in 100% self-upvote while under the n^2 reward curve those who hold the most SP under 1 account are the one advantaged.

The unfair advantage of n^2 is the same if the SP is in a person’s one or several accounts all voting for the same content.

N^2 failed at highlighting content quality content too. It’s biased to the same group at the top, who aren’t or don’t want to be editors/curators of the trending page.

If you’re looking for ways of achieving better results in token-oriented sorting of content, then consider SMT Oracles (there’s a paper coming out soon and it’s mentioned in my blog) and Communities (see the spec and the Hivemind spec linked in OP).

The unfair advantage of n^2 is the same if the SP is in a person’s one or several accounts all voting for the same content.

True, but at least such a whale would have to spread his Steem power on many different accounts, so that every single account had less steem power - also the ones executing the last upvotes in the row. Apart from that he would have to own quite some accounts to profit from the n^2 effect ...

I still think either a sigmoid reward curve or a curve which starts as n^2 and ends linear are at least worth to think about ...

Thank you for your answer. I sincerely appreciate it. I also very much appreciate Steemit's overall performance and work. Short comings an challenges are and integral part of any projects.

Just to be clear, I know we are both trying to do our best. We both have a lot invested in its success.

N^2 failed at highlighting content quality content too. It’s biased to the same group at the top, who aren’t or don’t want to be editors/curators of the trending page.

It's bias toward those who have the most to lose or gain from the success of Steem while linear is bias toward those who self upvote the most at the expense of everyone else.

The original whitepaper states:

In order to realign incentives and discourage individuals from simply voting for themselves, money must be distributed in a nonlinear manner.

The reason why Steem was designed with nonlinear reward can be read in the whitepaper under the quote I just mentioned. Why nonlinear is better for content quality is also stated.

When self vote is the most profitable strategy, voting for quality content is always at the expense of the voters.

Original Whitepaper

Yes I also wrote in the paper it “is an experiment...”, and we have learned much since then.

I understand. We'll see how it goes from here.

Hi @ned , thanks for bringing this answer and making a mention about SMT Oracles. I will search on this to know more about it.

Regards, @gold84

I still think either a sigmoid reward curve or a curve which starts as n^2 and ends linear are at least worth to think about ...

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Hi @teamsteem ! I hope we can finally get a way to make rewards as fair as possible, so that the way they are improved, helps for the entire ecosystem grow, and makes the value of the blockchain go up! There should be a way were the incentives are no longer self votes, but for the discovery of great content, as you do, every day!

Regards, @gold84

you are an amazing curator @teamsteem ! I believe in karma!

Upvoted for self-realization!