It is really complicated subject.
I hate self-voting, yet sometimes it is the only way for the comment or post to be seen.
ANd more-over sometimes you invest hours and no one read it...
Steem should show some low rating posts at top by random...
All those whale vottting need to end one day...
@themarkymark I believe that since the platform allows it, one can upvote themselves all they want. However, with great power comes great responsibility so if a powerful account uses their own power to upvote their useless comments, other powerful users may flag those overvalued posts and bring balance. Everything mentioned is my humble opinion.
if a powerful account use their own power to upvote their useless comments, other powerful users may flag those overvalued posts and bring balance
Completely agree, the problem when this balance is brought, the tears and rage come out. People feel they are being attacked and call on others to help them 'fight back' and it never ends well.
I see you, but if a user has read the terms of service they already know that one can flag content just because they disagree with its payout value. Nothing personal and nothing to do with hostile behaviour whatsoever. We just need to grow up as individual users and treat the matter with maturity and look at this from a community point of view.
Thanks for this post. I’ve thought about this a lot myself. I’ve discussed it with a few people and the general consensus seems to be consistent with your article - it’s ok to upvote your own post, but it’s bad etiquette to upvote your own comments. I apply this thinking with my account.
One thing I’m interested in is your opinion on upvoting other people’s comments. You mention this briefly in your post. As a rule I upvote everyone who comments on my posts (assuming they are relevant comments). I feel that if someone has taken the time to make a relevant comment on my work then they should get rewarded for this. You seem to be more selective in who you upvote?
I tend to only upvote comments that really add to the discussion, I also tend to be very low on VP a lot of times due to flagging spam so I don't always have VP to upvote as much as I would like.
Great discussion point, this is one of the things that, for someone like me who just got here, seems a bit off. Self voting when you have a $100 vote puts you right at the top of the hot section which will garner all the attention of the minnows and dolphins because they want to upvote and comment in order to try to get votes from people with value. I understand some people are well established and others are heavily invested, but the system makes it difficult to gain much traction starting out.
I think it would be interesting to see something like only allowing self votes after one day of being posted, or perhaps increase the rewards for curation and decrease the rewards for self voting. The first idea would make it so hot articles were actually more "viral" than just being self voted, and the second could promote more interaction where whales are working to upvote content they enjoy while still being rewarded in a similar way. Just throwing some quick ideas out, the solution isn't apparent, that's for sure.
There was also some talk about having users of similar levels be able to cancel eachothers votes.
While I am not a fan of it, I have less to gain by not doing it as you pointed out in your section on whales. There is more financial gain for them to self vote. My point of view might change if I had more of my skin invested in the system. I have not invested anything more content into the forum. For those that have invested processing power or purchased Steem to grow their account, there should be some expectation of return on investment. The nature of the platform is what it is, we have all signed up for it and we must accept how functions. We all have a choice, we can take our content to other platforms and try to monetize that content.
Personally I do not see a problem with self voting one's articles that are quality. Of course, this is subjective. However, if one takes the time to put in effort into an article and the person thinks it quality, an upvote is warranted.
I do not upvote my comments. Comments are made in response to the author and belong to that person since it is his/her article. If the author and other ones commenting thing my comment worthy, then they can upvote it.
It's not a perfect system, but it's pretty darn close. I am both fascinated and proud of the way steemit exemplifies the true power of decentralization and self-regulation. It is up to us - every single user - to make it really shine.
Hmm interesting to read on this topic since there are so many conflicting thoughts! I didn't really know some of those pros/cons/facts about it before I read your post either. Thanks picking such an informative AND important topic to share with the community.
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It is really complicated subject.
I hate self-voting, yet sometimes it is the only way for the comment or post to be seen.
ANd more-over sometimes you invest hours and no one read it...
Steem should show some low rating posts at top by random...
All those whale vottting need to end one day...
@themarkymark I believe that since the platform allows it, one can upvote themselves all they want. However, with great power comes great responsibility so if a powerful account uses their own power to upvote their useless comments, other powerful users may flag those overvalued posts and bring balance. Everything mentioned is my humble opinion.
Completely agree, the problem when this balance is brought, the tears and rage come out. People feel they are being attacked and call on others to help them 'fight back' and it never ends well.
I see you, but if a user has read the terms of service they already know that one can flag content just because they disagree with its payout value. Nothing personal and nothing to do with hostile behaviour whatsoever. We just need to grow up as individual users and treat the matter with maturity and look at this from a community point of view.
You can hammer that point in until the end of our days, and some people refuse to accept it.
Thanks for this post. I’ve thought about this a lot myself. I’ve discussed it with a few people and the general consensus seems to be consistent with your article - it’s ok to upvote your own post, but it’s bad etiquette to upvote your own comments. I apply this thinking with my account.
One thing I’m interested in is your opinion on upvoting other people’s comments. You mention this briefly in your post. As a rule I upvote everyone who comments on my posts (assuming they are relevant comments). I feel that if someone has taken the time to make a relevant comment on my work then they should get rewarded for this. You seem to be more selective in who you upvote?
I tend to only upvote comments that really add to the discussion, I also tend to be very low on VP a lot of times due to flagging spam so I don't always have VP to upvote as much as I would like.
Great discussion point, this is one of the things that, for someone like me who just got here, seems a bit off. Self voting when you have a $100 vote puts you right at the top of the hot section which will garner all the attention of the minnows and dolphins because they want to upvote and comment in order to try to get votes from people with value. I understand some people are well established and others are heavily invested, but the system makes it difficult to gain much traction starting out.
I think it would be interesting to see something like only allowing self votes after one day of being posted, or perhaps increase the rewards for curation and decrease the rewards for self voting. The first idea would make it so hot articles were actually more "viral" than just being self voted, and the second could promote more interaction where whales are working to upvote content they enjoy while still being rewarded in a similar way. Just throwing some quick ideas out, the solution isn't apparent, that's for sure.
There was also some talk about having users of similar levels be able to cancel eachothers votes.
While I am not a fan of it, I have less to gain by not doing it as you pointed out in your section on whales. There is more financial gain for them to self vote. My point of view might change if I had more of my skin invested in the system. I have not invested anything more content into the forum. For those that have invested processing power or purchased Steem to grow their account, there should be some expectation of return on investment. The nature of the platform is what it is, we have all signed up for it and we must accept how functions. We all have a choice, we can take our content to other platforms and try to monetize that content.
Personally I do not see a problem with self voting one's articles that are quality. Of course, this is subjective. However, if one takes the time to put in effort into an article and the person thinks it quality, an upvote is warranted.
I do not upvote my comments. Comments are made in response to the author and belong to that person since it is his/her article. If the author and other ones commenting thing my comment worthy, then they can upvote it.
Just my .2 steem.
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It's not a perfect system, but it's pretty darn close. I am both fascinated and proud of the way steemit exemplifies the true power of decentralization and self-regulation. It is up to us - every single user - to make it really shine.
Hmm interesting to read on this topic since there are so many conflicting thoughts! I didn't really know some of those pros/cons/facts about it before I read your post either. Thanks picking such an informative AND important topic to share with the community.
Congratulations! This post has been upvoted from the communal account, @minnowsupport, by Malcolm Reynolds from the Minnow Support Project. It's a witness project run by aggroed, ausbitbank, teamsteem, theprophet0, someguy123, neoxian, followbtcnews/crimsonclad, and netuoso. The goal is to help Steemit grow by supporting Minnows and creating a social network. Please find us in the Peace, Abundance, and Liberty Network (PALnet) Discord Channel. It's a completely public and open space to all members of the Steemit community who voluntarily choose to be there.
If you would like to delegate to the Minnow Support Project you can do so by clicking on the following links: 50SP, 100SP, 250SP, 500SP, 1000SP, 5000SP. Be sure to leave at least 50SP undelegated on your account.