RE: Steemvoter News: Dust Settles and a Curation Guild is Born (Part 3 of 3)
I downvoted your post with my own vote, and that of soome of the accounts i control because i do not feel its reward is a responsible use of the reward pool. I will continue to do so with the accounts sp I control so long as that remains my opinion. If and when i have the time and inclination to add all 5000 of my accounts to my command line interface, i will use all of them to downvote your posts so long as I feel that they are not a responsible distribution of the reward pool. All told, i have around 80-85Ksp to use for this purpose.
What you are doing is dishonest, IMO. You set one set of rules, then changed them and required customers to "opt-out" of the change.
As long as the guild is "opt-out" i will also be downvoting to partially counter any use of the extra "guild vote". If the guild is "opt in" i have no problem with it. Obviously it is your customers choice to vote for what they wish, automated or not.
As to the issue that the many votes cast make it seem as though the multiple votes represent many unique opinions (versus simply mine), there is nothing I can do about that except be straight forward that the accounts do, in fact, belong to me. When i bought them SP was around $1 , and I got them for around ten cents per SP. If you or anyone else wants to purchase them from me at that price, yu are welcome to do so. But until you do, it is my SP to use as i see fit and i will continue to use it as I see fit.
Your business model is precisely the type of abuse @dan describes in the white paper and bitcoindoom describes in his game theory post -- serveral accounts conspiring (or in this case allowing someone else to use their keys) in order to pump up the reward for a worthless post and distribute the increased reward n^2 curve linearly. As long as that is the case, it will have my downvote.
And, as i have said many times, my downvote is not personal, or an attack, or anything else mean or nasty. It is simply my sober and rational expression of an opinion about the posts value. I should also point out that my accounts are not bots. Though i cut and paste their votes as a batch into the command line, I decide each vote manually, according to my own, possibly sober, judgement.
So to stop you from flagging, I need to buy all your 1000 accounts from you,... interesting
no, ill still downvote. Ill just do it with just one account that has all my SP consolidated in it.
I do understand that its kind of broken that my one vote appears as potentially 10000 flags, which is why i havent used these accounts to vote often (in spite of the fact that thats what i bought them for) in the past, o reven bothered to add most of the keys to my cli wallet.
But at the end of the day, its my SP to vote with how i see fit. ANd for something like this, which i see as voter intimidation fraud and bush-league racketeering, i will use it despite my misgivings about the way that use looks
Why not power them down and then transfer the Steem to your main account?
its not that simple. theyre brand new accounts so they can't power down until they get to 350SP balance.
im in the proccess of cycling money through and powering down, but im not willing to put money into SP to extract all of them until the price gains more stability.
I gotcha.
I think you are being dishonest.
Steemvoter has been around a long time, and a week ago had never had a down vote. If people were really against this it would have had some down votes before. Other than a few "special" people who think their opinion is more valuable than the community because they signed up early, steemvoter seems loved by most. I often see messages of support in their posts, and again, before a week ago, I don't recall seeing one negative comment.
Yes they might not have made the best choices, but they seem to be trying their best to serve the community, unlike you (with this message and possible actions).
I don't have a problem with down voting, or saying your peace, but using down voting as a threat is just silly and destructive to a community. From what I can tell, the people who told steemvoter that they don't like what they are doing was received by steemvoter and they are trying to improve things. Personally, I think they should not change a thing (other than improving continuously for the community).
IMHO if you care about this community you will think about how destructive you are being/threatening to be towards it, and look at steemvoters history (before this past week) and see that the community has supported it.
I am using a non-account for this, because I don't want my SP to influence anyone.
UPDATE
The user above has edited their post since this writing.
You are incorrect. There is not a single sentence in my post that you replied to (before or after editing) that is not provably, verifiably objectively true.
You might be right. It might also be true that their recent abuses and behavior have caused many to rethink their stance. I bought all of my steem power, most of it for prices around what they are now. I don't think my opinion should count for any more or less than anyone elses. However, i don't think it should be dependent on anyone elses either. I am fine with being in the minority, if that is the case. What kind of person would I be if i changed my vote just to be on the winning side.
I is not my intention to use the downvote as a threat. He h as the right to post anything he wishes. I have the right to vote however I wish. Telling him in advance that i do not support a specific kind of post is not a threat, because my downvote does not cause harm. It will negatively effect payouts, but those payouts are supposed to be based on votes.
AN example of using a vote to threaten someone would be like when SV tried to stop people from downvoting him by threatening to retaliate with his SV users downvotes.
Hi @johnblow. We agree, we have received nothing but love until recently.
perhaps you should look at your recent actions and try to figure out why. Oh yeah i forgot its because the korean gangs are out to get you... nevermind.
You realise that many of the accounts used to upvote these posts have been abandoned by their original owners. Since steemvoter has their posting key there is no guarantee that some of those supportive comments aren't coming from the company.