Message to @haejin and @ranchorelaxo + Flag Targets
@Haejin and @ranchorelaxo, Please consider sharing one or two vote a day to support the growth of Steem (indirectly it's price). Realize that the people flagging you are very experienced and knowledgeable about Steem's ecosystem and instead voting toward supporting growth and development initiatives we are wasting our power trying to send you a message.
Should you reduce your self-voting by one or two votes a day and reward instead some of what you think could have the greatest impact, we would all win.
I therefor commit to wasting a full vote from both @promobot and @transisto on one or two of you posts every day until you start sharing.
Please talk to @ranchorelaxo if you have to or produce less pieces of content per day.
If you're looking for suggestions on what initiatives to support I'm available to talk on discord.
Thank you.
You tried before to censor my content via an ill composed open letter trying to dictate what I can and can't post. And yet here you are trying again to censor on votes. You're basically threatening me...giving me an ultimatum saying that IF I don't comply to your requirements, YOU will attack. BTW, I have been up voting others and if you didn’t even bother to check before threatening, it’s your bad error.
Have you considered that such self directed censorship initiatives can cause the exit of one of Steemit’s biggest investor? How exactly does a censorship forced exit of $1.45 Mil help Steemit? Better yet, have you also considered how censorship prevented the potential doubling or triple of the $1.45 Mil investment? Do you even realize that your type of censorship is actually driving away investments?
Meanwhile, here is just a small sample of your self upvotes of your own comments. I self upvote as a protective moat against the trolls and haters downvoting. What is your reason?
If you can compell @done and his posse as well as @fulltimegeek to lay off their downvotes on the day seven posts, I’ll have a greater reason to reduce my protective self upvotes. The trolls and haters like you force me to carry out the protective upvotes!
ANY post of mine that is made invisble or heavily downvoted will be rightfully reposted! I will not succumb to Gustapo type of threats or ultimatums!
Removal of incentive is not censorship. It's kinda interesting that you don't realize this.
Telling a person how many posts to post, or how to use their votes is censorship. As is downvoting posts until they don't display. In general, if you are trying to force behaviour it is censorship even if it's by negative reinforcement. They are censoring his voting behaviour.
His message is! Read for Christ sake the content before you put out a baffoon comment!
I am using standard, widely received definitions. You are resorting to name calling instead of addressing my point. You are not making yourself look very good, sir.
Oxford Dictionary
So, is that your definition of censorship? I note that on Steemit lowering the upvote amount reduces views, and that reducing it to the point that the post is made invisible does so more. Both of these meet the suppression standard of censorship, rather than the strawman of 'reduced incentives' you put out.
It's not about looking good now man, he's fucking pissed for all the shit he had to go through because of the shitty torture those pathetic scummy trolls ever-so-kindly graced him with.
Man, try to look at this whole shit from his point of view -
Imagine you were been bullied, roasted, name-called, spammed at, been a target of racist comments and so many other negative shit, and that too for almost two straight fuckin years - every. single. day. right from the minute one.
Tell me @inertia, would you still talk the way you're talking now; with "manners", "class" and whatnot?
Eagerly awaiting for your reply.
"It's not about looking good now man, he's fucking pissed for all the shit he had to go through because of the shitty torture those pathetic scummy trolls ever-so-kindly graced him with.
Man, try to look at this whole shit from his point of view -"
I've been looking at this from several points of view. I can see the validity of some of the points of view directed at Haejin.
Maybe Haejin should also look at some of the comments and maybe scale back his daily posts. As a compromise.
Personally, I think it's cool that Haejin is making for his posts. But if he's posting 10 times a day and making roughly the same on every post. Maybe he should scale back a little and let others have a shot of making that money.
Yeah, us reasonable people are trying to talk to him, while some dumfuks are still blindly raging on haejin and co, without even being ready to engage in any form of discussions, whatsoever.
They prolly only need a means of letting out their IRL anger and steem, and poor haejin seems like the perfect target for them.
Cunts, I say.
Thanks for the straight-forward reply, man; missed it a lot around here. looking at you @inertia
I don't give straight replies to people who are all over the place. I had a main point: removal of incentive is not censorship. All I got as a reply was name-calling and you defending the name-calling. There's no point in going over that.
Well. "poor haejin" I think he's making enough now not to be called poor anymore. =)
If you are speaking to Haejin. Maybe you can convince him to just post once a day for a few weeks. Then he can up that to twice a day and keep it there. That might help calm things down around here.
And also. My last post seems relevant here.
https://steemit.com/dmania/@grey580/how-i-imagine-arguments-on-steemit-zg1hbmlh-t9fg6
do your homework Yes....more like 10+ months....but then again, that's like 5 years in crypto-time
This shit be like dat one planet in Interstellar dj lmfao
Not my point.
Then go delete your comment?
EDIT: or at least edit it man. elaborate please.
So I need to edit my comment because you can't follow along with my point? Also, what's with the sock puppet?
You dont get it.
I can downvote you whenever i want.
Your stupid "protection" selfupvote is just not usefull if you do it right in the dark.
You can protection selfupvote if you have to eat a downvote.
But now i downvote this because its overvalued.
Got it?
Who cares about 1,45Million leaving the space.
Only you care because you benefit the most!
Do you care if content providers that consistently provide content irregardless of the price of Steem leave the platform? Because not everyone wants to read poems and look at pretty pictures, some would rather get technical updates. People can see the same updates on YouTube, and @haejin would still make money... but would the platform be better off?
All I can do is SMILE!
@haejin, you try to shift the blame off of yourself by blaming promobots. You have your own personal promobot, @ranchorelaxo, and that's the problem. You pay for it off of the chain. At least the promobots are transparent unlike you weasels.
Also, promobots distribute STEEM and SBD to tonnes of different accounts. Some will hodl/power up, some will cash out. You get your personal ranchobot to funnel it all to you. How's that power down going? Your 20th time. You and ranchorelaxo are a vacuum, only here to take as much as you can as quickly as possible.
It's really going to end up biting you in the ass one way or the other though. And that's why I smile.
How many of those bots provide content that gets views? Content providers should be able to write posts, post them, and get paid. If they invest $1.5M to promote their content they will get bigger returns. That's how the platform works... I think people underestimate how difficult it is to get TA, and how many people follow it.
That being said, if you want to invest and use the investment to redirect the reward pool more power to you.
Punching others in the face because you got hurt somewhere else and telling about selfdefense will be not excepted by some curt.
I'm not on any trial! Remember the drunken gibberish shit you sent via psycho wallet messages? Did I punch your mouth for that?
But it looks like you are on a trail. I can see on my downvoted comments which are "invisibel" now.
What you do and what you say are different.
All alarmbells are ON when i read you.
Before you write about drunken gibberish shit again...
I am allowed to write what i want or not?
I am talking arguments in gibberish style.
Your arguments are weak or wrong.
Did others punch your mouth that you need to talk about selfdefense?
Can you see the fail in your line?
BS criteria, but blockchain and steemit allows it nonetheless.
Hope EOS fixes this problem.
No wonder Steemit and STEEM are crashing, eh @ned?
Overvalued is the only criteria.
Because you upvote when its undervalued.
Nah man, I'm saying @ned needs to fix this fuckin loophole. He ain't doing shit about it. tf is communities gonna do for this?
I bet the EOS peeps will fix this problem; it's got Dan, Brock etc. on its team any way, they'll figure it out. Cya there bud
I read Brock was no longer associated with EOS. Mebbe @dan can figger it out.
STEEM
EOS
No one is censoring you, or even really denting your earnings. You make 3000 USD per day here, all from one promobot, your own personal one @ranchorelaxo, who gave you everything you have. Stop trying to get pity.
I have made my point here. If you care about your investment, you better read it. Also, for anybody reading, don't hesitate to share opinions.
No longer supporting #SteemFlagRewards. They did not like what we provided for them.
You are a stupid parasite who does not add any value to the blockchain. I wish that you fuck off with all your investment and never come back to Steem. You are the major reason why I did not post or remain active on Steem for more than four weeks.
@Transisto, thank you for standing up. I felt discouraged to be on Steem because of what this Haejin and similar people have done to the platform lately.
Are you sure about that?
Yes. Quite sure.
But why not start posting again? Sure, you could continue to use haejin's actions as an excuse, but it's not that he's standing behind you, holding a gun to your head, ordering you not to post right?
So post.
I am posting and replying for two days now. :)
That's great to hear; keep going.
Atb
I am personally grateful for your and other's flags on @haejin. Please don't stop. Please convince as many people as possible to join in.
Sorry @haejin, but you and all the other whales are taking too much of the rewards pool without adding value to the platform, and all of us suffer for it. The flags reduce the extraction of rewards by all those accounts that are over-extracting from the pool.
I also would like to thank @haejin for clearly demonstrating the severity of the present code's bias to rewards whales rather than minnows. Nothing is more likely to prompt changes to the code that make it more beneficial to all users, rather than simply concentrating wealth in the accounts of the wealthy.
Demonstrating clearly this purpose of the extant code is the best thing that could ever happen to Steem, and is the strongest incentive imaginable to produce changes in the code that will benefit us all.
Please keep flagging whales, guys! Nothing you could do (that you've shown you're willing to do) will benefit minnows more.
Thanks!
What about the vote bots? They take 33% or more of daily reward pool! @transisto owns promobot..how much is he raking in everyday?
All the votebots get their stake from somewhere. As you point out. I am all for whales flagging the votebots too, but they are the votebots.
I have stated, and it's still true, that you don't hurt my rewards, or any minnows, to a measurable degree. Whales (including you) receive 99% of rewards, and all the minnows share the remaining 1%. If they managed to take you out somehow (which I am strongly against!!!!) that wouldn't change one bit. The whales would see their ROI go up by the amount you no longer received, and the minnows would see 1% of that increase: 1% of 5% of the rewards they currently receive.
Today @arcange published his daily stats, and the median payout is .03 SBD. 5% of that is hardly measurable, and 1% of 5% is completely invisible.
The whales are after you, because if they convince you to back off, whatever rewards you no longer receive, they will get.
Don't let them!
PS. Would it kill you to upvote comments you find relevant enough to reply to? It's kinda part of the Steemit culture, and I do it. I realize my votes ain't much, but what I got to use, I do. Whether you do or not, I'd be interested in your answer to the question.
Also, I've never thanked you personally from defending me from flags in the past. Others said it was because you were opposing those that flagged me. Whatever the reason, you defended free speech that day, and I am grateful for that.
Thanks!
Why dont you have the balls to flag @transisto every post he makes money on like you do me? Is it because he has steem power to fuck you up with? You like to FLAG minnows so their voice can't be heard anymore. YOU ARE A FUCKING JOKE!!! Just remember I gave you a chance at PEACE & you ignored me. YOU FUCKED UP JACKASS!!!
No longer supporting #SteemFlagRewards. They did not like what we provided for them.
Given that the 25% curration reward is being given to the previous voters, about 75% of the returns that you earn from self voting.
Nice try in justifying how promobot is raping the community! Not working. Note the increasing number of antibot postings lately? It'll increase!
FLAG THE DONKEY @HAEJIN
I wish you MAAAAAAASSSSSSIVVVE FLAGS!!
https://steemit.com/@thabiggdogg/found-ranchorelaxo-s-bitshares-account
I FOUND OUR STEEMIT MONEY
Account Opened December 19, 2017. @BernieSanders started the #FlagWars on December 20, 2017, because of @RanchoRelaxo's huge upvotes for @Haejin. Haejin & Rancho thought they could hide all this money. I found it. Now get it back. It belongs to us. The good people of STEEMIT!!! It belongs to all the people he FLAGGED over & over. @NED what are you going to do about this?
https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/account/ranchorelaxo2017
https://cryptofresh.com/u/ranchorelaxo2017
4/22/2018 Currently Worth At 0.26 a share: $5,660,146.0422
$5.6 Million FUCKING DOLLARS!!! That's OUR STEEMIT MONEY that has been scammed!!!
I made this comment on another post and it probably didn't get your attention. So I'm posting it again and this time with a self-vote for visibility.
I'm 100% with you on this.
Agreed.
But here is a question. What about people who are doing ridiculous self-upvotes and/or circle-jerks that doesn't happen to be @haejin or @ranchorelaxo ? What about them?
I think the only real solution is a protocol level change. We can already calculate how much % of each person's VP has gone to each account. So what if we code the blockchain to burn the additional rewards generated when 1 account uses more than X % of all votes on a single account.
Nobody's voting patterns are not going to be affected. The posts would also gain high visibility. When rewards are burnt the STEEM inflation goes down and everybody benefits without affecting any of the ongoing behavior. Eventually voters will decide if they want to upvote authors purely for visibility instead of giving them rewards and getting curation or whether they want to spread their votes among few people.
This method requires additional work from the devs. But it's fair for everybody. You are taking actions against @haejin because he is visible. Dolphines may manage to do the same without being noticed much. You can only keep an eye on few whales. Whales do have the highest impact. But if they are th only ones getting fingers pointed at, you are doing blockchain wrong. In blockchain Code is law as code is unbiased and affects all universally in the same manner; objectively.
So have a chat with the witnesses and the devs. Put a simple cap and everybody can go back to minding their own businesses and engage in positive actions :-)
The idea of adding a voting limit is good but won't stop the circle jerks because you just have to create more accounts and divide the votes between them to counter it.
And btw. there are also many more problems on Steem, multi account abusers, copy/paste upvote farmer and so on and the problem with them is that they are harder to spot than for example haejin and his one man upvote army/personal investor (who for example wouldn't do any impact to Steem when leaving just because well all he does is upvoting haejin)
The problem is that Steem (at the current state) needs a lot of active regulation to stop abuse because it has no real passive mechanism to counter them well atm it has many mechanisms which are benefiting abusers ...
Great question man. About time people opened their eyes as well eh?
I was following this flagging war from the beginning, but didnt realize what was it really about. Now I started to understand the main problem.
You are absolutely right! We need to reward as we are getting rewarded to keep it going. We need more Dolphins here than Whales and Minnows to succeed all of us.
Hopefully everybody would understand the real purpose of this platform :)
like your comment, following you now
Thank you, I am following you too :)
well really not much point following me post-wise, but I do make interesting comments just like you,
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Hi @hanen, i see you could be right person to answer to my post question: https://steemit.com/steemit/@intellihandling/what-curators-are-doing-for-me
So these curators what for take those coins if only few people combat against this abuse?
I think it is happening because you dont have enough SP.
That was a shameless promotion.
But fine. lmao
I don't see the point. I mean, I understand the intention and I understand the motivation behind this, but there's no reason to expect this to work.
Zero.
Steemit makes haejin and people like him free money. Free money by the truckloads. There's no reason to give up free money. He can make a million by doing nothing at all. There's nothing in the world more attractive than shitloads of free money.
Anyone in his position will never give that up.
haejin is just an extreme embodiment of what Steemit is. It's not about "content", it's not about engagement, social interaction, sharing of information, any of that shit. It's a magic money making machine like the world has never seen. It puts the Federal Reserve to shame.
He is a monster the system created. That is all.
Also, most everybody on this platform would do the exact same thing he's doing if they were in his position. Like I said, free money.
The witnesses here don't give a shit about anything for that exact same reason: free money.
It's simply impossible for the incentives around Steemit to create anything different than what we have here right now.
The whales are busy upvoting their own circle jerks even though they easily collaborate and take down someone like haejin, but why would they? It's more attractive to print free money into your pockets.
Nothing will change. Nothing. Steemit is what it is.
If you are 80% right, the remaining 20% that is being shared is creating a ton of real economic activity.
The real problems are the bots like promobot! The bidbots have zero service value for steemit. And yet, they take >33% of reward pool. You think the community will stay put about the complaints on these bots? The number of anti bot postings are increasing.
you complain about bots stealing rewards, yet you do the same.
you complain about constant flagging, yet you do the same for much less
you complain about censorship, yet you do the same.
seriously, stop playing the victim and start being part of a solution and then maybe people will stop downvoting you. And if they don't then at least you tried and it is on them.
You have your own personal promobot, @ranchorelaxo, and that's the problem. You pay for it off of the chain. At least the promobots are transparent unlike you weasels.
Also, promobots distribute STEEM and SBD to tonnes of different accounts. Some will hodl/power up, some will cash out. You get your personal ranchobot to funnel it all to you. How's that power down going? Your 20th time. You and ranchorelaxo are a vacuum, only here to take as much as you can as quickly as possible.
It's really going to end up biting you in the ass one way or the other though. And that's why I smile.
interesting choice of numbers @transisto
To fix the system, the witnesses would have to give up their own easy money, and that just isn't going to happen.
@haejin IS Steemit. He's just the most blatant form of it, it's honestly those of you who think your posts are worth the large amounts you're getting who're in denial.
If you want community, change the system to favor it, don't ask a guy playing by the rules set forth by the de-centralized system to budge.
If anything, he's heading towards owning the reward pool, so he's successfully implementing his "attack" on your code.
Again, witnesses would have to take their own hits, and their greed won't allow them to change anything.
Steemit witnesses are @haejin.
@ranchorelaxo is @haejin
We are all @haejin.
@haejin is @steemit
I dunno that I agree 'we are @haejin and @haejin is us' is true, but you are correct that the witnesses and Stinc can fix whatever is perceived to be the problem, but only by eschewing the degree to which they themselves drain rewards.
I do see @haejin as demonstrating quite obviously the problems with extant code. Whether this is simply his business plan, or is politically motivated I cannot say.
His actions do hand the ball to Stinc and the witnesses. It's their move. Their move has been to do nothing. That's informative as to their purpose.
Thanks!
I am Negan! You're Negan! We're all Negans!
is that a walking dead reference? lol
Yep! Looking forward to Episode 16!
Lol how did I know. My sister knows everything about that show from the beginning and I still haven't seen a single episode lol. I guess Ill binge watch it all one weekend in the future.
I fucking told you motherfuckers @haejin is cool
Ya'll heard it first from me bitcheeesssss!!!! lmao man haejin ahahahahaaha xD
YOU ARE A FUCKHEAD!!!! That's what you are. A MORON!!!
upvoting this so peeps can enjoy haejin's reply to this. lol
I think the better approach to this situation is possibly saying " The law is broken" and we need to fix it. If steemit is to prevent certain abuses that overall can maim the steem economy permanently the law must be changed.
Relying on the good will of humans is not reliable and will not work. That's why we have government and law enforcement.
You're quite correct that @haejin clearly illustrates that the code is designed to deliver the vast majority of rewards to whales, and that this is counter productive to the stated purpose of Steemit.
I think that just as Stinc and the witnesses failure to fix the problem that @haejin demonstrates exists in the code shows that they don't consider the problem a problem, the corruption in government and law enforcement demonstrates the exact same thing.
Corruption is the purpose of law enforcement and government, just as @haejin shows that rewards pool rape is the purpose of Steemit. That neither is fixed proves this.
Thanks!
I wonder what would happen if there were professional thieves abusing steemit... oh wait it's an open community. It's like how America's borders are open, certain cultures may pass through that we may be better off without.
I have been using Steem for a long while now and would enjoy seeing it thrive.
I think the better approach to this situation is possibly saying
" The law is broken" and we need to fix it
EVERYBODY, read this once.
Then, read it again.
Now go shoot yourself in the head lmao
Thank you @transisto for your commitment for steemit and it’s community.
Minnows don’t have many opportunities to affect something against abuses of the system like we see it here.
Whales like you don’t have the obligation to do something but the opportunity.
Thanks for having the right attitude.
A good sign against the problems of this platform!
voted for visibility
These guys are supporting each other and minnows like us spend so much quality and efforts on their posts and go unnoticed 😢
It really hurts 😞
Exactly.
Don't worry himshweta, you'll get the well deserved support soon. All of the minnows too.
Once we put an end to this flag war though, alright?
Atb.
I hope so.