RE: If you are calling yourself Alt-Right you might want to be careful... I debated and then was given some info
I pretty much agree with your assessment of what the Alt-Right actually is. And I've been familiar with their sentiments for a few years. I encountered a lot of them on FB. They are not to be confused with anarcho-capitalists or other variations of anarchism/libertarianism.
The problem with the media and other leftists is that the try to classify everyone other than a mainstream Republican as "Alt-Right." Then, after doing so, they just vilify all of those wrongly-identified people based on the characteristics of the actual Alt-Right. It's a simple and proven tactic that has worked for them for a long time. Purposely misidentify and vilify.
I would actually love it if the Alt-Right would stop pretending to be anarchists and libertarians. They're the main reason why poisoning the well is so easy for statists/collectivists.
And no - I don't believe Milo is Alt-Right. They just like to claim certain people as their spokesmen in order to try to give their lunacy some legitimacy. The left is just quite eager to accept that as truth and then do what they normally do - protest, threaten, and physically assault people and destroy property.
It is clear you read the entire thing. Thanks for your response.
I think there are a lot of people (probably most of them) that identify as Alt-Right yet do not know anything about these examples my friend pointed out.
These are the worst example you can find of people using that label. So yes it seems like a propaganda smeer thing to take the worst examples that can be found and try to say THIS IS THE ALT-RIGHT.
By the same thing I guess all of those violent rioters defines all LEFT.
It doesn't. As I understand it things were a normal protest until the 150 or so guys in masks showed up and began the violence.
I wish you would keep the left out of this, the closest America has to a left is Bernie and he's still a centre ground politician. Everything else is right of the centre.
America has right of the centre Democrats, right wing Republicans and now this Alt right even further out on the right. Just because people say Democrats are on the left doesn't mean they are left wing.
As for your post, good piece, enjoyed reading.
True... I said to someone else in my own edit that by using the term LEFT I am also generalizing by not specifying that I do not mean everyone on the left.
It also is vocal opposition that claims to be on the left.
The guy I argued with about this in Slack does not even identify as Left. He is the guy that got me debating by saying something like "I'll not riot shame, all alt-right people are white supremacists, racist, assholes anyway"
That was a haste generalization. All of the Alt-Right identifying people I had encountered up to that point fit none of that. Some of them may have been assholes I guess. Some may have been racist. Certainly not ALL though.
So I challenged him on that... he said I wasn't going to convince him.
This morning he shared all of the material that inspired my post.
I've said before that not all Alt right and Trump supports are white supremisists. It's not that easy in the same way not everyone who voted Hitler into power were White supremisists, they were angry and pissed off at the system that was failing them. Both leaders tapped into that and won against the system.
Yep. That's the key. Generalizations and absolutes are almost always false.
So as soon as we utter one we have kind of disproven our point.
Living in Sweden and being very well informed on what the "left" in the U.S. is, I would have to say that their aims are mostly the same. However the short term goals obviously differ with a different political landscape.
Also, in my opinion the left at large in the U.S. is much more prone to reject the concept of free speech and nonviolent approaches for change. Possibly, this could be due to having picked up more modern marxist ideals out of desperation and being at a percieved disadvantage in society.