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RE: Hierarchy: Good or Bad? (Part 4 of a Series)

in #anarchism8 years ago (edited)

«But it is ok for the employers to collude to keep wages minimal?»

There isn't a worldwide conspiracy of business owners to keep wages down because employers have to compete to get the most qualified workers. Good help is hard to find, don't you know?

«Why would I pay more than the guy down the road pays his employees?»
Maybe because if you do, whenever you want to hire someone, you'll get tons of resumés and you'll get to pick the best ones out of the lot and the other guys will get the crumbs. That's why.

«Even to the point of paying starvation wages, as we have now.»
Listen, if you get nothing more than starvation wages and can't get better from another employer, then your qualifications are probably shit, so it's no wonder you believe in conspiracies. Anything but believing it might be your own fault.

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Then they shame you for not bowing down and kissing their feet?

Being free to choose which exploiter gets the spoils while starvation and living under a bridge are the alternative, is not a free exchange.
Were we to keep working, but stop paying, not only would you be free to order ANYTHING from the internet, but getting a job would be a free exchange, a matter of going to where work is happening and helping, and not getting a job would take a special kind of person.

You should try opening an economics text book one of these days. Maybe it'll raise your IQ some.

What you're being paid is exactly what your boss thinks you're worth. The way you're talking, I bet he's probably right on the money. If you want to make the kind of money he does, start your own business and be your own boss. You're free to do that too. (Oh no, that's right! You'll probably need government permission to do that under the current fascist system.)

If your utopia requires force to remain in place, you suck.

If you think that were my microphone to carry to the masses that they would choose what they currently have over going to the store for the price of finding something to do, do you seriously think that they wouldn't?

When things are free, not working will take a special kind of human being.

Crapitalism as a term came as a result of needing to keep the slaves producing on the plantation in the face of rising reading rates.

Here is a short story that will appeal to your inner crapitalust while ending your need for banksters: http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php

If you can't entertain options to your status quo, how do you know you've not been duped?

«If your utopia requires force to remain in place, you suck.»

Who's holding a gun to your head?

«If you think that were my microphone to carry to the masses that they would choose what they currently have over going to the store for the price of finding something to do, do you seriously think that they wouldn't?»

If it weren't for the way things are, you wouldn't have a microphone to yell into or a computer to complain about how you're being exploited.
«When things are free, not working will take a special kind of human being.»
If everything were free, why would anyone need to work? If nobody works, how will anything get done?

Thanks so much for busting my guts.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
If I create a microphone does the microphone not exist before it is paid for?

Profits are irrelevant to production.

The shelf stocker doesn't check the corporate balance sheet before stocking the shelf, nor do the workers from the miner to the delivery guy to the consumer.

Only the wealthy, and their dupes, worry about the accounting department falling in a lake, or taking the day off to fly kites.

«If I create a microphone does the microphone not exist before it is paid for?»
Actually, to create a microphone you need tools, parts, some kind of work area, in a word: capital.

«Profits are irrelevant to production.»
They are if you want to keep producing.

«The shelf stocker doesn't check the corporate balance sheet before stocking the shelf, nor do the workers from the miner to the delivery guy to the consumer.»
He checks his pay stub. That's part of his own balance sheet.

«Only the wealthy, and their dupes, worry about the accounting department falling in a lake, or taking the day off to fly kites.»

You live in lala land. Even in the good ol' days before capitalism people had to work to eat and they didn't eat so well and they had no computers to complain about it on Steemit.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause
You can call things capital, if you like.
Calling things names doesn't make them authoritative.
It's clear that you would rather choose a master than live free of them, and that is your prerogative.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
To continue is pointless, you are not ready to do the reading you need to do to free your mind from the matrix provided to you by the authorities you accept without question.
Were you to want to do that, I would start here: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism
For your comments on economics, skip to chapter 2.

«It's clear that you would rather choose a master than live free of them, and that is your prerogative.»

For humans to cooperate and produce anything, they have to organize. Organization implies some form or another of structure.

You live in a fantasy-land where everything just comes out of the blue. (And saying that actually isn't an ad hominem. It's a simple fact.)

Anarchism has nothing against band leaders and architects, but if you had read the material you would know that.
I'll link to it, again, in case you'd like to end your willful ignorance.
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/alexander-berkman-what-is-communist-anarchism

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