No, I think you don't understand what I am saying or you are not trying to, you are talking about tribes I am talking about a country with a population of over 330 million. Look anarchism, libertarianism communism do exist together and in a successful manner in certain Kibbutz in Israel but only because their population is limited to about 100 settlers,, if that population were to go up they would implode, which is why they limit the number of members. But anyway I guess you have made your points I tried to make mine, maybe we can agree on something some other time.