@laconicflow The basic difference we have is that you see society and state as the same thing and we view them as different and ultimately at odds. Participation in the state does not mean you are trying to improve society. It just means you are participating in the state and at some level empowering it. By not participating in the state, we just acknowledge that there are better ways to influence the society that don't involve supporting politicians and aggressive force by the state monopoly.