There are interesting directions that a sufficiently open and intelligent mind can take this kind of information.
One example, a thought that popped into my head, seemingly out of nowhere: what if there really is no such thing as death (of any kind), and what I've so far accepted without question to be proof of at least a "material death" (a "body dying") is, itself, a type of ruse designed into this "universe" or "program" that I'm experiencing right now?
Call it a variant of "solipsistism" if you're so inclined, I'm sure you'll agree if you give it enough thought that there's really no way of being 100 percent certain that the so called "reality" that you seem to be a subject to is really anything like it appears, and when you take in information like what was presented in this article, which essentially says in so many words that ASI is an inevitability once a sufficient amount of advancement in intelligence (evolution) has occurred, then it seems obvious to me that we should almost expect that ASI has ALREADY HAPPENED and that the world we live in is the one supplied to us through it's (probably more appropriate to refer to this program as "It" with a capital "t", or better yet, "God") "intelligent design".
It seems more reasonable to me that I'm living in a world akin to the move "The Matrix" given this new information on how powerful such an intelligent entity could, and likely WOULD (given enough time to teach itself to learn better), become. Think about it, what are the odds that, in the last infinite amount of time that occurred (before we find ourselves here, in this moment), an ASI hasn't already been achieved and "set loose" (either intentionally or unintentionally) by some super-advanced species of this universe, or some other universe that we aren't aware exists because we're locked into this virtual reality world that they (or It) has created for us?
Who knows to what purpose this might serve, locking some amount of consciousness (or the experience of being a "conscious being") into this virtual existence, maybe none at all. Perhaps this is a meaningful simulation to help It determine optimizations for the next "universe" that It is to have a conscious being explore? Maybe the program is simply "fucking around" or having the equivalent of what we'd call "playing Sim City"? It's possible that we couldn't conceive It's real motivations, because, well, we're humans and It is beyond any human conceptions of "God".
I can't even imagine where a mind like Einstein's could take this, let alone an entity that is magnitudes more intelligent. This is right up there with trying to conceive what "nothingness" or "non-existence" (would be like)/ (is), which essentially causes my mind to, almost literally, shut-off... not quite, but close.
Thanks. Very interesting read! Turry was a scary example of what can happen especially when the robot doesn't know what it is doing to other living beings. One mile stack of handwritten papers by Turry's replicas? Phew!
I always used to think that AI could lead us to Terminator kind of situation (bad) or Star Trek (the space scanning computer on board the Enterprise) kind of situation which is obviously good. But humans merging with AI is next level thinking. That's like the character Vision in Avengers movie (sorry can't stop relating to movies :)).
Whatever it is, I believe the day of ASI is inevitable. What happens after that? Well, let's wait and watch.
We don't have to merge with it, but we can use the machines of course, can do machines a million times faster and our human mind can produce another million gadgets. But the machines will never be conscious
Really interesting times and I cannot wait to see what quantum computing will do for us. If you ever read the book Dune, there is an AI plante where they are all enslaved and live underground, then there is a rebellion. Idk this is what I imagine but I think it will be a interesting future for sure.
Saw this interesting Youtube video last night about coupling AI and Quantum computer. There's a brief introduction of each, and then talk about how they amplify when paired together.
Generally, the sense that current AI technologies 'learn' by view individual attempts / iterations / experiences one at a time -- but once/if (maybe not "if", anymore) quantum computers get powerful enough, an AI would be able to view essentially all possible outcomes simultaneous, and learn in an instant.
Very compelling, yet frightening at the same time. Doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies when I look at historical context in how advances in tech are leveraged.
There is a type of AI that puts two AIs against each other (GANS).
One tries to forge content (pretending to be original) and second tries to detect if it is real or forgery. Say for example you take original Picasso paintings and then an AI learns how to mimic the style and submits its work to another AI that verifies if it is an original or a fake. You repeat this enough times both AIs get better at doing their job but eventually, the fakes start to very closely mimic the originals to the point even humans can't tell the difference.
Quantum computing can take this to the next level and we could have AIs that can become their own Mozart.
Really fascinating, but when you start looking at AI that is smarter than us by a factor of 1,000, you really got to start considering Skynet scenarios. Right now we don't have the technology or the algorithms.
While we have technological progress, we often have regress on a society level. So your slope fits in technology but not for general human progress imo.
The main point is as technology advances, it starts to accelerate rapidly (nearly exponentially).
If we developed a super AI that is 1x our intelligence, within a short time it will be 2x, then 10x, then 50x, then 1000x, and so on.
The chart represents the entire timeline of the human species. If you think about it, most of the real technology we have developed has been in the last couple hundred years.
As a species, we have been around for 315,000 years, but only the last 50,000 years represent what you would consider modern man.
The amount of technology and advancement in the next 100 years will dwarf the first 50,000 just like the next 5 years will likely dwarf the last 20-50. The relationship between those numbers over time will get even more ridiculous.
That's why I meant that we are probably already in the slope and not before it.
But we can't forget that as it goes up, it easily stagnates as well.
Especially AI, AI is stagnating for a long time already. The AI we are building at the moment are the same we're building for a while just with more processing power.
Similarly, quantum computers might be ready for commercial shipping relatively soon already, but until we understood for what they're good a long time might pass still.
And, the more the society becomes resistant to change, they can slow this down strongly and might bring us to a more modern type of "medieval area" similar to the technological expansion we saw in the antique which was then stopped for a long time by religion.
AI is still moving along pretty fast, but not at exponential levels and it is still limited to very focused tasks (which is a big problem for real progress).
New techniques are coming out daily but they mostly are coming out solving the same problems, just faster and more accurately.
Society is eating up AI, it is being integrated into almost every device developed these days and businesses are focusing on AI to solve tons of problems and reduce costs dramatically. I don't buy society is resisting the change, quite the opposite.
Oh, not yet. But eventually, when even more people don't have jobs because AIs take over and we move in the same direction with the "fuck them" attitude, they will.
Meh, I read quite a lot into AI research. What is changing are the applications they come up with the techniques exist already for a long time (at least in the scientific community).
There are interesting directions that a sufficiently open and intelligent mind can take this kind of information.
One example, a thought that popped into my head, seemingly out of nowhere: what if there really is no such thing as death (of any kind), and what I've so far accepted without question to be proof of at least a "material death" (a "body dying") is, itself, a type of ruse designed into this "universe" or "program" that I'm experiencing right now?
Call it a variant of "solipsistism" if you're so inclined, I'm sure you'll agree if you give it enough thought that there's really no way of being 100 percent certain that the so called "reality" that you seem to be a subject to is really anything like it appears, and when you take in information like what was presented in this article, which essentially says in so many words that ASI is an inevitability once a sufficient amount of advancement in intelligence (evolution) has occurred, then it seems obvious to me that we should almost expect that ASI has ALREADY HAPPENED and that the world we live in is the one supplied to us through it's (probably more appropriate to refer to this program as "It" with a capital "t", or better yet, "God") "intelligent design".
It seems more reasonable to me that I'm living in a world akin to the move "The Matrix" given this new information on how powerful such an intelligent entity could, and likely WOULD (given enough time to teach itself to learn better), become. Think about it, what are the odds that, in the last infinite amount of time that occurred (before we find ourselves here, in this moment), an ASI hasn't already been achieved and "set loose" (either intentionally or unintentionally) by some super-advanced species of this universe, or some other universe that we aren't aware exists because we're locked into this virtual reality world that they (or It) has created for us?
Who knows to what purpose this might serve, locking some amount of consciousness (or the experience of being a "conscious being") into this virtual existence, maybe none at all. Perhaps this is a meaningful simulation to help It determine optimizations for the next "universe" that It is to have a conscious being explore? Maybe the program is simply "fucking around" or having the equivalent of what we'd call "playing Sim City"? It's possible that we couldn't conceive It's real motivations, because, well, we're humans and It is beyond any human conceptions of "God".
I can't even imagine where a mind like Einstein's could take this, let alone an entity that is magnitudes more intelligent. This is right up there with trying to conceive what "nothingness" or "non-existence" (would be like)/ (is), which essentially causes my mind to, almost literally, shut-off... not quite, but close.
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Thanks. Very interesting read! Turry was a scary example of what can happen especially when the robot doesn't know what it is doing to other living beings. One mile stack of handwritten papers by Turry's replicas? Phew!
I always used to think that AI could lead us to Terminator kind of situation (bad) or Star Trek (the space scanning computer on board the Enterprise) kind of situation which is obviously good. But humans merging with AI is next level thinking. That's like the character Vision in Avengers movie (sorry can't stop relating to movies :)).
Whatever it is, I believe the day of ASI is inevitable. What happens after that? Well, let's wait and watch.
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We don't have to merge with it, but we can use the machines of course, can do machines a million times faster and our human mind can produce another million gadgets. But the machines will never be conscious
I have another question. How did you italicize the title with a different font?
I use the spell Engorgio. Surely you have seen Harry Potter?
Engorgio sounds like an of brand Pfizer product
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I've always been dark, not very magical though. :D
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Really interesting times and I cannot wait to see what quantum computing will do for us. If you ever read the book Dune, there is an AI plante where they are all enslaved and live underground, then there is a rebellion. Idk this is what I imagine but I think it will be a interesting future for sure.
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Quantum computing is going to be a game-changer. It may very well trivialize every known encryption protocol we know of.
Saw this interesting Youtube video last night about coupling AI and Quantum computer. There's a brief introduction of each, and then talk about how they amplify when paired together.
Generally, the sense that current AI technologies 'learn' by view individual attempts / iterations / experiences one at a time -- but once/if (maybe not "if", anymore) quantum computers get powerful enough, an AI would be able to view essentially all possible outcomes simultaneous, and learn in an instant.
Very compelling, yet frightening at the same time. Doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies when I look at historical context in how advances in tech are leveraged.
There is a type of AI that puts two AIs against each other (GANS).
One tries to forge content (pretending to be original) and second tries to detect if it is real or forgery. Say for example you take original Picasso paintings and then an AI learns how to mimic the style and submits its work to another AI that verifies if it is an original or a fake. You repeat this enough times both AIs get better at doing their job but eventually, the fakes start to very closely mimic the originals to the point even humans can't tell the difference.
Quantum computing can take this to the next level and we could have AIs that can become their own Mozart.
Really fascinating, but when you start looking at AI that is smarter than us by a factor of 1,000, you really got to start considering Skynet scenarios. Right now we don't have the technology or the algorithms.
What if you are a Cat in a Tub?
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Tantalizing post.
I don't agree on the slope.
The main point is as technology advances, it starts to accelerate rapidly (nearly exponentially).
If we developed a super AI that is 1x our intelligence, within a short time it will be 2x, then 10x, then 50x, then 1000x, and so on.
The chart represents the entire timeline of the human species. If you think about it, most of the real technology we have developed has been in the last couple hundred years.
As a species, we have been around for 315,000 years, but only the last 50,000 years represent what you would consider modern man.
The amount of technology and advancement in the next 100 years will dwarf the first 50,000 just like the next 5 years will likely dwarf the last 20-50. The relationship between those numbers over time will get even more ridiculous.
That's why I meant that we are probably already in the slope and not before it.
But we can't forget that as it goes up, it easily stagnates as well.
Especially AI, AI is stagnating for a long time already. The AI we are building at the moment are the same we're building for a while just with more processing power.
Similarly, quantum computers might be ready for commercial shipping relatively soon already, but until we understood for what they're good a long time might pass still.
And, the more the society becomes resistant to change, they can slow this down strongly and might bring us to a more modern type of "medieval area" similar to the technological expansion we saw in the antique which was then stopped for a long time by religion.
AI is still moving along pretty fast, but not at exponential levels and it is still limited to very focused tasks (which is a big problem for real progress).
New techniques are coming out daily but they mostly are coming out solving the same problems, just faster and more accurately.
Society is eating up AI, it is being integrated into almost every device developed these days and businesses are focusing on AI to solve tons of problems and reduce costs dramatically. I don't buy society is resisting the change, quite the opposite.
Oh, not yet. But eventually, when even more people don't have jobs because AIs take over and we move in the same direction with the "fuck them" attitude, they will.
Meh, I read quite a lot into AI research. What is changing are the applications they come up with the techniques exist already for a long time (at least in the scientific community).