Let's Think About This.

That's one of the things that makes Goya great. I want to look at Rembrandt and look at Rembrandt. He was, you know, vilified and, you know, basically bankrupt and totally, you know, looked at negatively near the end of his career.

And only after he's gone do people see his brilliance, you know, and his use of light and shadow and the ideas that form inside of the shadow. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that what you are complaining about is the pattern of our history, of the history of humanity, of human beings.

And there's nothing new about what's happening. It just has a different name now. It's a different name.

It's advertising and, you know, certain things that will use the arts, whether it's the theater, music, poets, painters, sculptors. We're all movies. It's all used to promote ideas.

Yes, of course. And the ones that are willing to stand on the outside and say, hey, wait a second. Here's this other perspective.

This is also going on. Those people, you have to decide. Are you willing to put your neck on the line or not? I 100% agree with you, Vicky.

And in my day job, I sort of, I work for an agency and I deal with a lot of other big London agencies. They are so risk averse. It's the death of creativity, right? But, you know, I look around this room and the people we talk with these sort of, you know, independent, decentralized artists, we can do that.

And we have to, you know, walk that tightrope carefully. Yes, but that's been, see, that's again, part of the history of creativity. We have always been back there in history and we are the ones, people like us, nobodies in a way.

But, you know, sometimes it's the nobodies that has the courage to stand up and say, hey, you know, this sounds a little hinky. And yes, then somebody else will go, you know, maybe they're right. You know, let's think about this.