What I'm Trying To Avoid To Do

Now, I'm not saying you need to go be best friends, advocate for her, but I do believe that rehabilitation comes from a place of understanding and enduring the difficulties of incarceration, but it doesn't need to be inhumane. I know a lot of people will jump the gun to say, oh, but that person took a life. I understand.

Grace and forgiveness heal the soul. Hate poisons the soul. You don't want that poison, and you know much more than I want it.

And again, it is not an easy task to have these conversations, especially when I'm going to be talking to people like you, Heather, who have lost loved ones due to some people who are in prison. But my mission is largely focused on low-level offense people. I'm not here to advocate for people in penitentiaries who are mass murderers or violent individuals who have complete and absolutely dysfunctional neuropsychotic issues.

That is not the mission. The mission is really to help those who have the threshold for rehabilitation and reintegration. And that's what I'm aiming and aspiring for, is so that we can avoid creating a revolving door system for youth, because the majority of these people are youth.

They're young, and they go to prison at a very young age and become institutionalized in prison, hanging around with the wrong crowd, and then they come back and become more violent criminals. So that's what I'm trying to avoid to do. But I just wanted to make that point very clear, especially from a fiscal perspective.

There's a lot of people in prison that are, A, not a threat to society, B, cause no harm, and C, all they're doing is an expense to the taxpayer. I'll give a story. There's a 72-year-old man in that prison who, over the course of 10 years, underpaid $800,000 in taxes because he played fast and loose with his exemptions on his tax forms.