RE: Venezuela: Un Lugar Sin Economía - A Place With No Economy (Bilingual Post)
Just by saying you don't want to go live in Venezuela just drift away any value you might say, if any. That's typical of you guys... Just like that group of people who called themselves "code pink". How hypocritical!
The problems with you guys, well one of many, is that you categorize people just because you aim to get this monstrous, pathetic ideology up to the power. But that's no going to happen. Top countries will embrace it. Their structures are solid, and you don't have the majority of people.
This movement you belong to is trying to rise to power just to suck countries from their resources because you are seeing what has happened in Venezuela... I mean, I understand that must be tempting for people who don't earn the food by work hard, and being productive.
But like I said, you will never achieve that in top countries.... oh, by the way, you think that the people of Venezuela are the owners of their own resources? How naive! Even a child could see it.
And about not listening to other perspectives, that's not necessary. Reality speaks by itself. And by the way, I don't want to convert you into anything. If you adore communism or socialism, which is the same cancer, it's all fine. But again, you should go live in one of those regions, and enjoy the suffering. Stand true to your convictions. Be an example of honesty and integrity to your loved ones. Win their respect as person of his word.
Now, apart from all his chat, I would like to enlighten you about something:
The dictator and his bang of crooks in Venezuela are not socialists or communists. They're just common thieves and murderers.
You speak about hatred. And yes, I hate anything and anyone that murder innocent people just like the world hated Hitler. And you do hate. You hate US and anything that looks like it. And then you side with other evil.
And about your twisted comparison between communism/socialism and capitalist, profits should never be distributed equally. Profits should be distributed according to the hard work from each person. That's deserving. No wonder why socialists are called bums. You all guys want to receive the same when you don't earn it.
In fact, it's a great relief, as I've previously mentioned, that the whole world is not ruled by this cancer.
I'm sorry to say, but that was not very informative ;)
You seem to be scared that I'm pushing an agenda, while I mostly ask for information and opinions, and complain about facts being ignored. From there it is quite natural that a certain skeptism arises.
I'm mostly trying to get a picture of what is going on, and the facts that are presented (by you, but also by people from the opposite) are contradicting each other massively. I never stated that I know the truth, NOT AT ALL, I'm just skeptic about your version, as well as the pseudo-liberal-anti-US one.
If you are propagating facts, but are not willing to discuss them, it's a pity. You obviously didn't even fully read my last comment, as is obvious by you still calling me a commi or socialist. Puts a smile on my face.
But then you make it clear by saying:
At least now I have a good quote for a good post, plus a reason to troll your posts.
So long & all the Best
That was just an example about saying a lot of empty words with no meaning at all. And I'm not scared. I'm just sad that another human being can be so naive.
And you couldn't read between lines. And if you felt offended when I called you socialist, I'm sorry. I didn't want to touch a nerve.
By the way, I didn't mean I don't listen to other's people's perspectives. You can't really read between lines, can you? It's so evident the reality about Venezuela... But I get it. You don't observe, you just see!
And if you say that you don't know the truth about what's happening in Venezuela, so what do you state things so firmly. Your friends might think that you talk without thinking.
Also, as you closed your last's meaningless input, you troll when you're cornered? or it's just a self-defense mechanism?
Anyway, this has been a great analysis about human stubbornness and stupidity. Chatting with you just confirmed that the hope on societies progress are fairy tales. Only thoughtful individuals and visionaries can achieve it.
To say a lot with few words:
Why I started this thread:
The video I sent to you seems credible, but gives a totally different background for what you are going through.
I was, and still am interested in your take on it, and, as mentioned, I think it could also give you a wider horizon on your situation.
You just deflected, generalize and turn rather impolite, and that makes me skeptic.
Again: Stating 'facts' but avoiding skepticism or discussion is not very convincing.
If someone makes a video about how good Hitler was, is it going to seem credible to you?
You have to be very careful when you say something about Venezuela because the reality there is too complex for random people to comprehend. It's not about ideology. This is the common mistake outsider commentators make. We are talking here about people dying of hunger and in hospitals because there's no food and basic medicine since a bang of criminals took them away. When anyone has tried to send supplies, it has been denied. It's genocide!
When I said that you should go live there, you immediately said no... Of course, you know that you don't want to lose your rights and live in shackles. The things you have for granted, they don't have it there. The only thing they have is air, and it is just because the dictator cannot control it.
And I wasn't impolite. You brought this on yourself when you implied that level of education in Venezuela was better than in Germany. It's laughable and ridiculous.
And if you're still skeptic about the crimes committed and the current tyranny in Venezuela, with all due respect but you need to adjust your perception and discernment.
I've learnt a lot in this exchange, but the original intent of this discussion still has been negated, and I wonder if you actually ever had a look at the video.
Besides this we got sidetracked (deflection is always effective if you want to avoid a discussion), and you told me that you were not impolite, but that I was asking for it...
It was not very helpful, so I'll leave you to your ideas, even though I'd like you not to spread more of such unfounded 'facts' (you could make them 'founded', but for some reason this is not happening).
I wish you all the best, and even if you disagree, I hope for you that the US is not coming to 'save' you.
It's not about my ideas. I'm just merely describing the reality. And again people don't have to defend a genocide because he hates USA, though he doesn't really hate it. It's just pretending because he and his crooks want to go there to enjoy the capitalist life (That's the hypocrisy of these so called socialists). Are you aware of the bank accounts these thieves and murderers had at some banks in USA? There are millions there. How do you think they got that money? From their hard work? Absolutely no.
There is a misunderstanding among some people, those who call themselves liberals or some sort. They blindly think that it's a political issue. It's an humanitarian crisis. Aside from the Nazi era, the second humanitarian crisis in history that is not caused by natural disaster.
And if you think that if USA comes, there's going to be an civil war. No, because there's already blood on the streets. And it's not between two tendencies. It's between the citizens and thugs that were equipped with guns to defend the genocide.
Besides, people wish US come once and for all to take away the dictator. I told you. The resources are not in the hands of the people. They never have.
Sir, it's alright to be skeptic. But when things are clear, reason steps up. These are not unfounded facts. We can discuss about socialism and communism which are proven to be failures. But Like I said, it's not about politics here. It's about criminals making millions of people suffer, depriving them from food and basic medical care while they suck the nation and carry out their criminal activities such as drug trafficking, money laundering and terrorism. Venezuela is the biggest supermarket for all illegal activities worldwide.
Yes, you have a humanitarian crisis, I believe you and always did. So yes, this is your reality, no doubt about that.
It's just that the reasons for this crisis seem to differ widely, depending on whom you talk to.
Are you aware that people, Venezuelans, defend a totally different version than yours with just the same enthusiasm and conviction, proof and all? You'll call them liars, and they will call you the same. Truth might be a mix inbetween.
So for me now it's time to listen to different stories. Levelling the biases ;)
and btw.:
Lybia is the biggest supermarket for all illegal activities, not Venezuela. There are open markets for sex slaves and all.
US really was big help there.
Again, you need to go to Venezuela. No joke, but the first night there, you'll pray God that Trump green light the operation. You will run to give trump a big hug.
The dictator doesn't have people. The only supporters are criminals and some ignorant individuals that sadly have been parasites. They're not even the 10% of the population. That's why there have been rigged elections all these years.
And about listening to different stories: If a white-supremacist tells you now that the Nazi movement was misunderstood, you're going to give him the benefit of doubt. That's out of question, and very naive.
And Lybia used to have the medal for the first place, now it is Venezuela that has such a dishonorable "pleasure." They advertise all the time their criminal market... If I list you all the illegal things that have occurred during this nefarious socialist/communist dictatorship, I would need another life.