Hi @garthfreeman,

I'm going to try to respond to your entire post.

Let's see.

It seems to me that you are confusing patriotism for righteousness. Standing up for what is right isn't synonymous with patriotism, in fact the actions of nation states is often quite opposed to righteousness.

No, I'm not confusing it with righteousness. The bible speaks about what a "righteous nations," is.

Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

A nation is either righteous or it's not. That doesn't mean that every single person walks in the righteousness of Christ, they never did in Israel, but it does mean that those who are in Christ do! And it reflects within the nation itself.

In fact, there are entire chapters within the scriptures dedicated to the subject of nations either walking in righteousness or not, Israel itself went into captivity more than once for complete unrighteousness. In Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would spare the nation if 100, 50, 10, and all the way down to a very few amount of people walking in righteousness. The response was that if 100 and even less were righteous, Sodom and Gomorrah would be spared. (Genesis 18:16-33.)

Leviticus 26 goes into great depth about the nation walking in God's righteousness, or not, and what the effects are for either case.

So does the book of Deuteronomy, as well as many other instances within the Holy Writ.

In the US, we have a federal government that engages in all kinds of immoral activity. It steals, it has unjust money, it fails to provide an adequate justice system, it fails to take care of the poor... Have you ever read the Old Testament? How many times is Israel chastised for failing to take care of the poor and not enforcing justice?

That's interesting that you ask if I've ever read it. Yes, I have. I've studied it, and guess what? There has never been a completely righteous nation! Not even Israel. Every nation's leaders partake in the things that you listed. Israel had what the Bible calls, "righteous leaders," and its share of very UNRIGHTEOUS leaders. Ever read about Ahab and Jezebel?

Isreal came into very distressful times whenever the nation walked contrary to God's instruction. It wasn't just about a government who doesn't take care of its poor...Which btw, America has one of the greatest welfare systems in the entire world.

In comparisons with nations that actually have welfare systems.

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If you'd like to really break that down, Jesus encouraged individuals to give to the poor. He didn't state that any government should steal from those who have to give to the poor. Righteousness is a voluntary giving, led by God.

Also complicating the issue is the fact that there are many different ideas about what is right, wrong, and American. What if you were stoked about the way things were going under Democrat rule, but hate the way things are going now? Are you supposed to cheer lead policies you oppose?

IF you actually read the article, I covered that in it...please read it before asking questions that have already been addressed.

This idea that the US is somehow a special Christian nation is laughable. Sure, some of the founding fathers were Christian, but most weren't, and they intentionally built a secular government. It was a wise thing to do. But to say the nation has always acted Christian is to completely gloss over the brutal violence that has been a hallmark of establishing and maintaining this country. Every problem the US has is solved with violence, or threat of violence.

This isn't some made up idea. Without even considering the earliest Americans, but Americans today, 70.6% identify with being CHRISTIAN. Making this a Christian Nation! There are small percentages of Christians in Muslims nations, (for example) but those nations are majority Muslim and are called MUSLIM nations...

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This idea that the US is somehow a special Christian nation is laughable. Sure, some of the founding fathers were Christian, but most weren't, and they intentionally built a secular government. It was a wise thing to do. But to say the nation has always acted Christian is to completely gloss over the brutal violence that has been a hallmark of establishing and maintaining this country. Every problem the US has is solved with violence, or threat of violence.

It's not some abstract idea that America has been blessed, take a look around you. This nation has been one of the most prosperous, and powerful nations in HISTORY. Unless you are not a Christian and have no idea what the bible says, this point is a mute argument.

How could a Jesus follower get behind an organization like that? If you want to be patriotic, then you can patriotically support your true country, The Kingdom of God.

I am convinced that you didn't even read the article....

I never stated that we must support ungodly things. I even addressed the situation with Daniel...

By the way, your quotation from Psalms isn't a blanket statement saying that any nation who is mostly Christian will be blessed. The passage is specifically referring to the ancient Israelites. The LORD chose Israel as his heritage, and the "nations" are the people God did not choose. See Deut 32:8-9.

You think that posting one verse or claiming it says what you want it say, makes your point. Well, I love posting verses...and actually reading them.

So here goes. Each and every one of these verses speak about nations, and rather than reply to me without having even read the article or without looking at the whole matter, I'd like to request that you step down from your high-horse, and listen to what God's word says. And then try to respond using wisdom rather than complete rudeness.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Isaiah 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Psalms 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

We can also get into how God appoints leaders to nations! That's an awesome study, and since you want to attack the nation itself, based on your political views, it's a very good subject to study.

There are hundreds of biblical mentions of NATIONS, in the scriptures that I haven't even touched upon in this response.

If you respond, please read the post and the entire response first.

Also please try to be civil.

Try to remove your political issues and consider what the bible actually says.

If you think that American Christians today have no say, and their prayers for the nation don't matter, and if you think the American Christians today should sit back and allow things like satanic prayers in their cities, then I suggest you really read what the bible says about the power of prayer, and abiding in Christ, and taking a stand for what's right according to GOD'S word.