My strong impression is thart in current form that downvote pool is causing more harm than bringing benefits. Right now all those downvotes look like a whichhunt. Personally I know few users who got heavily downvoted and noone (absolutely noone) took time to warn him that he is doing something wrong.
No warning. No explanation. Just pure punishment followed by "hate". Downvote pool is being abused.
Our purpose should be to educate users and build their awareness and punish only those who have been warned at least once or twice. But noone really seem to bother about that issue :(
Used to counteract upvotes from specified accounts, meaning that you will downvote anything that they choose to upvote at a given rate relative to their upvote.
Great idea.
One small remark: only content that is accepting rewards should be downvoted
Your remarks are valid, I think it's because the culture is changing rapidly, people will learn pretty quickly the overall culture and how to behave. I've seen quite a few people who came to me to ask why I've downvoted them and I replied. It would be better to be able to leave a comment, but I think there are enough automated comments everywhere already.
" only content that is accepting rewards should be downvoted"
I'd like a feature to counter your upvotes.. especially when you're obviously not manually curating..
Unless of course you're going to claim you actually read and curated all 5 of these posts that were posted within a hour.. but I'd be willing to call bullshit.. I'm disappointed in myself for actually thinking you were trying to do good.
There's already a feature to counter my upvotes, head on over to downvotecontrol.com
As for my votes, yeah they are automated, I trail steempress votes, which are mostly voting on either whitelisted authors or trailing community curation efforts.
I actually don't know you, I used to automate my downvotes (thanks to this tool) and I trailed ocdb, trafalgar, curangel and blocktrades (and others but over a smaller time window). I assume one of those downvoted you and I just trailed.
I have come back and re-read this post - I was planning to and then we all got forked ;)
I said in my earlier comment that I liked this idea and I really endorse these suggestions:
Whitelist : do not downvote if the user is on it
Bidbotted percentage : downvote only if bidbots represent x% of the payout
Number of words/characters, only downvote if the post has less than x words/characters
I particularly like the last one - with the caveat that if it's a photography post, the words/characters may be few, but there does need to be an explanation of the image(s).
However, I'm not sure I understand this one:
minimum payout : only downvote if the post has reached x$ of potential payout
I'd be glad if you could explain this in more detail.
Here's an example to explain minimum payout, let's say you set the minimum payout to 20$. Then you will only downvote posts that have a payout that's higher than 20$. This is done so that you don't downvote "small abuse" or "small bidboting" where you downvote a guy with 50 cents payout. I think it's better to go for the people who are earning a lot by abusing and then go for the lower ones.
A rule like skipping downvotes if the post rewards < $N may prevent unnecessary downvotes. No need to spend downvote mana if post is not visible already. (Unless you want to destroy reputation of the target.)
It's still draining rewards out of the pool and therefore hurting the ability to reward real contributions (unless N=0 of course).
I do agree there is no reason to waste downvote mana and take things too far but even a lot of small payouts can add up to a lot. If they aren't adding value then the small amount isn't really a reason to give a pass.
Hello, I do not know you but I received a downvote from you. I received a downvote from you on a Splinterlands post of mine. I was making a video showing people how to use the Steem Monsters upvote bot on the site. People ask me often so once in awhile I will show them. I used my own DEC to pay for the upvote on a post that Dtube voted for already. It was at $8. I now have to come back with the next video and tell them we got nothing more than the $8 as I was downvoted. My DEC is gone now. I was going to show the post how it earned an extra $10 or so and now it is gone, you took money out of my hand. I am happy if you are rich but I am not. I make $9 an hour PT hours only- taking care of my disabled son who has severe Cerebral Palsy in Richmond, VA USA. I have been making a little extra money with the STEEM blockchain for over 2 years. I just wanted to show you what and who exactly you are taking from.
Hopefully you will please remove your downvote.
Thank you.
Chris Love
@howo wtf?
I don't get it, you are a software engineer, so why are you flagging my technical post? I don't really care, but it just struck me as odd that's all. What, I guess u don't like my script, fine good enough!@ lol or r u mad cuz I didn't post step by step instructions and hold u'r pinky all the way through? jk! Flagging u back I do need someone new to flag, so thanks for that! lol
I'm still trying to find my comfort zone with the whole downvoting thing, but I think this is definitely a step in the right direction! Thanks so much for putting this together, @howo, and I may join the trail in the near future. 😊
Same here so far I did not downvote yet but left a comment what to change to avoid downvotes but I decided to give it a try although I know this will start a hunt, war and...
I think the functionality you provide here is more of less the same as @reazuliqbal's code but I do like that you have added the counter upvote functionality.
I had created something similar for a certain naughty whales self-votes a while back which was interesting.
Anyways, good luck with the project! Hopefully, with a diversity of tools available we will be able to make much more of a difference.
I was not actually, this is great I mostly built this because I wanted to have a tool ready asap after hf21 to allow people to downvote. The more tools built to downvotes the better imo.
Will need a feature to "stop" the trail if the post is already at zero rewards.
Great idea. Please keep working on this tool. :)
Dear @howo
Solid read.
My strong impression is thart in current form that downvote pool is causing more harm than bringing benefits. Right now all those downvotes look like a whichhunt. Personally I know few users who got heavily downvoted and noone (absolutely noone) took time to warn him that he is doing something wrong.
No warning. No explanation. Just pure punishment followed by "hate". Downvote pool is being abused.
Our purpose should be to educate users and build their awareness and punish only those who have been warned at least once or twice. But noone really seem to bother about that issue :(
Great idea.
One small remark: only content that is accepting rewards should be downvoted
Yours, Piotr
Well stated.
Please explain the moral/legal theory behind killing bit-bots?
I don't understand why they are so hated.
I also don't understand why people don't just use the MUTE feature.
Don't people want a cheap and easy way to advertise their post?
Isn't the built-in "promote" feature basically pointless?
Selling votes (ENDORSEMENTS) seems like a free-market solution to me.
Your remarks are valid, I think it's because the culture is changing rapidly, people will learn pretty quickly the overall culture and how to behave. I've seen quite a few people who came to me to ask why I've downvoted them and I replied. It would be better to be able to leave a comment, but I think there are enough automated comments everywhere already.
Great idea !
What features do you want next ?
I'd like a feature to counter your upvotes.. especially when you're obviously not manually curating..
Unless of course you're going to claim you actually read and curated all 5 of these posts that were posted within a hour.. but I'd be willing to call bullshit.. I'm disappointed in myself for actually thinking you were trying to do good.
There's already a feature to counter my upvotes, head on over to downvotecontrol.com
As for my votes, yeah they are automated, I trail steempress votes, which are mostly voting on either whitelisted authors or trailing community curation efforts.
So basically you're flagging me for the same thing you're doing?
I actually don't know you, I used to automate my downvotes (thanks to this tool) and I trailed ocdb, trafalgar, curangel and blocktrades (and others but over a smaller time window). I assume one of those downvoted you and I just trailed.
If that was done wrongly, sorry.
@howo
I have come back and re-read this post - I was planning to and then we all got forked ;)
I said in my earlier comment that I liked this idea and I really endorse these suggestions:
I particularly like the last one - with the caveat that if it's a photography post, the words/characters may be few, but there does need to be an explanation of the image(s).
However, I'm not sure I understand this one:
I'd be glad if you could explain this in more detail.
Many thanks
Fiona
Thanks for coming back :)
Here's an example to explain minimum payout, let's say you set the minimum payout to 20$. Then you will only downvote posts that have a payout that's higher than 20$. This is done so that you don't downvote "small abuse" or "small bidboting" where you downvote a guy with 50 cents payout. I think it's better to go for the people who are earning a lot by abusing and then go for the lower ones.
Edit : upvoting to un-hide myself
Thank you @howo. That's very helpful.
A rule like skipping downvotes if the post rewards < $N may prevent unnecessary downvotes. No need to spend downvote mana if post is not visible already. (Unless you want to destroy reputation of the target.)
Great start, looking forward seeing its progress.
It's still draining rewards out of the pool and therefore hurting the ability to reward real contributions (unless N=0 of course).
I do agree there is no reason to waste downvote mana and take things too far but even a lot of small payouts can add up to a lot. If they aren't adding value then the small amount isn't really a reason to give a pass.
What I thought originally was that specific N=0 case, then thought its better to keep the amount configurable.
Agreed that a small payouts add up and may create a giant snowball at the end.
There is also no need to downvote if the earn is zero and someone else already did.
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so you haven't trolled enough and now you want to apply your trolling else where?
even worse....
Hello, I do not know you but I received a downvote from you. I received a downvote from you on a Splinterlands post of mine. I was making a video showing people how to use the Steem Monsters upvote bot on the site. People ask me often so once in awhile I will show them. I used my own DEC to pay for the upvote on a post that Dtube voted for already. It was at $8. I now have to come back with the next video and tell them we got nothing more than the $8 as I was downvoted. My DEC is gone now. I was going to show the post how it earned an extra $10 or so and now it is gone, you took money out of my hand. I am happy if you are rich but I am not. I make $9 an hour PT hours only- taking care of my disabled son who has severe Cerebral Palsy in Richmond, VA USA. I have been making a little extra money with the STEEM blockchain for over 2 years. I just wanted to show you what and who exactly you are taking from.
Hopefully you will please remove your downvote.
Thank you.
Chris Love
Same here. I don't understand everything...
@howo wtf?
I don't get it, you are a software engineer, so why are you flagging my technical post? I don't really care, but it just struck me as odd that's all. What, I guess u don't like my script, fine good enough!@ lol or r u mad cuz I didn't post step by step instructions and hold u'r pinky all the way through? jk! Flagging u back I do need someone new to flag, so thanks for that! lol
It would be nicer if the downvoters give a reason why.
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I'm still trying to find my comfort zone with the whole downvoting thing, but I think this is definitely a step in the right direction! Thanks so much for putting this together, @howo, and I may join the trail in the near future. 😊
Same here so far I did not downvote yet but left a comment what to change to avoid downvotes but I decided to give it a try although I know this will start a hunt, war and...
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Hi @howo, were you already aware of flag trail?
I think the functionality you provide here is more of less the same as @reazuliqbal's code but I do like that you have added the counter upvote functionality.
I had created something similar for a certain naughty whales self-votes a while back which was interesting.
Anyways, good luck with the project! Hopefully, with a diversity of tools available we will be able to make much more of a difference.
I was not actually, this is great I mostly built this because I wanted to have a tool ready asap after hf21 to allow people to downvote. The more tools built to downvotes the better imo.
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