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RE: The Basics of Anti-Capitalism - Exploitation and Imperialism - Part One
As was already discussed, the capitalist class effectively controls the government.
I think it's the other way around. Government effectively controls industry. Sure, through lobbying a corporation or coalition of corporations can come out on top, but it is only one win in a never-ending series of battles. Just as often, they are restricted or punished by government. And it is the power of government that enables them to exert control over the economy when they do. Without that vehicle, the ability to write laws that force competitors out of business or consumers to purchase their products, corporations would be mostly powerless to rig the system in their favor.
When chile elected a socialist they didn't becone socialist. The capitalist class stopled the movement of all goods, including food, until he was voted out. The food was in the stores the next day, and they were no less capitalist.
The capitalist class could not exist without the government and its property rights, they are inseparable.
Before you say my statements are in contradiction, they are not. The capitalist class become a government above the other one elected by the people.
I fundamentally disagree, and I will leave it at that.
great argument, full of historical examples and logic backing up your system of thought. good job
(Gets the popcorn) may the onslaught begin.
nah m8 that failure will mute me and run away to its safe space, I guarantee it.
I'm going to bed either way, I have stuff to do tomorrow
My guess is that even if I'd taken the time to leave a well thought out logical argument, full of citations and historical illustrations, you would still be resistant to it. I'm weary of arguing with socialists because it's impossible to debate anything when you can't agree on definitions of terms (for instance I promise you we will never see eye-to-eye on the definition of property), and because I find it tiresome to defend principles like respect for individuals against people whose very ideology rejects such principles.
"My guess is that even if I'd taken the time to leave a well thought out logical argument, full of citations and historical illustrations, you would still be resistant to it."
IRONIC
"for instance I promise you we will never see eye-to-eye on the definition of property"
its something you control. If you don't understand that you are crazy.
"I find it tiresome to defend principles like respect for individuals against people whose very ideology rejects such principles."
its not an ideology its a set of material conditions conditions. If you can not defend your opinion you don't deserve one.
On top of that in that instance government is just a medium for fighting between strong businesses and the rest. They don't ever do anything for the good of everyone at the expense of an entire industry. Climate change is an example of this, oil companies are still the biggest in existence