RE: More THIEVES on Steem Blockchain? Be careful with bidbots... Don't use @booster! Here is why...
Thanks @themarkymark! But this post wasn’t about me getting back my 20 STEEM... Even less from you who don’t have anything to do with this transaction! This post IS about the state of the Steem community and all these insane developments that make it sooo less inspiring...
If you sent it trying to make a point with it, as a sad attempt of cleaning up your own mess, I find it really worrying coming from a top 20 witness! You should have more direct and fair ways of showing that to the community, instead of using other people posts to clean your dirt!
You try to send sand to other eyes, but I maintain what I said: you are funding your own projects with other people’s money here! I also have my own blacklists that I am forced to maintain to keep DSound content curated well, at NO ONE ELSE’S EXPENSE!
I will send your 20 STEEM back...
Seems like he was saying he didn’t like with what Fryst did and was trying to help you out. As with your post, you seem to jump to conclusions without looking at any facts.
Not sending funds back to a blacklisted user is common practice and clear in the Terms of service.
Why? Well then they can just run and use another bot who doesn’t care enough to try to prevent spam and plagiarism by benefiting by promoting their post. Is it the right thing to do? I don’t know, I can see why it’s controversial but this isn’t new and I sort of want to support the fight against plagiarism here as it’s a huge problem.
How does that have anything to do with your situation? It doesn’t, not even a little. Your situation was completely different and 100% you should have immediately received a refund, as I think Markymark was trying to show. He doesn’t need to clean up a mess on your post as your post has absolutely nothing to do with him and your information isn’t not even sound, which you point out yourself in your post.
Why include a completely irrelevant situation in your post? Who knows.
Don’t like bid bots? Don’t use them
Don’t like what’s trending? Make sure you make your thoughts known through your up/downvotes
Think disagreements are ruining the community? Then be a leader and help the community get through them and help them realize there is no damage to them specifically and these disagreements are as old as the platform itself. We can ignore them and focus on the good, and if they get bad enough usually some idiot will try to contact both parties to tell the children that the fight is getting out of hand and needs to be resolved, sometimes they will listen to the idiot and other times they will attemtp to flag her.. it’s just the way it goes 🤷🏻♀️
Focus on the good, and lead the community.. it’s all we can do.
Not sending funds back is theft!
The norm should be refund and decline the service.
Relying on TOS is by no means a valid excuse. One could write "If you're a spammer and use my bidbots, I will kill you". Will you still support a murder covered by TOS?
You argument about the (potential) use of another service in case of refund is also misleading.
All is about having values and stick to them.
Just my 2 cents.
Absolutely true my friend! That was what drove me to write this post... but it seems, by the replies that I am getting from these guys, that I am the one doing nasty things here, so I quit the conversation... Not providing a paid service and taking the money is indeed theft and no matter what they write on TOS or on the blacklist they control or others statements. Anyway, had enough of this nonsense... thanks for sharing your thoughts mate!
I’m confused by your response, as I was just stating that this is what most promotional services do and I have asked about it before.. no one seemed to have a problem with it then.
Many times refunds were given, many times they weren’t. If a user is blacklisted, not returning the funds is common practice among most promotional services here and the terms of service is clear on this, anyone agreeing to use the service agrees to these terms. I myself don’t use the service and if it said "If you're a spammer and use my bidbots, I will kill you". I would very much discourage anyone from doing business with them, I feel like that is quite a reach here though, don’t you?
I’m in no way stating what happened to prc is acceptable and is indeed theft, glad it got resolved. That situation and the one I was referring to are very different though, as I commented above.
Not really sure how that is misleading, as this was the response that I got from multiple bid bot/promotional service owners when I asked previously... and so I was stating it here.
I have pretty high values and always stick to them, even if that means getting a bit of heat here on the platform. Just like calling out a community leader when it feels he’s more concerned with getting attention/support than actually making sure his community is well informed. Sometimes having values means saying things people don’t like.
Prc should have been refunded.. over a week later that seems to have happened, I’m glad he got it resolved.
I don’t see why you spent your time replying to my post if it is that irrelevant!
As I said above, this post isn’t about @themarkymark or refunds... you completely missed the point...
It is my opinion about the state of Steem community and what I find that is not going well. It doesn’t get better by ignoring it! Sorry to disagree.. :(
I replied as you are spreading the lie I am a thief.
I am perfectly fine with you disagreeing, but you talked about me and accused me of doing things you misrepresent, so of course, I am going to respond.
Sorry I didn’t know that @llfarms was another you or how many personalities you have...
Spreading lies? Really? I documented all my phrases about that in my posts and they are on the blockchain for anyone to see! Come on, I had you in higher consideration than this... this is low...
Wow, yeah.. see I am working on just giving up when some people seem to be completely unwilling to have an informed and adult conversation, even though it’s hard for me to do.
I’m Markymark now? Ffs... yes.. that does make the most logical sense here. I left non attacking and thought out responses on your post as I felt the message you were sending was not factual and actually does the harm to the community you seem to be so worried about.
Maybe I misunderstood your intent here and maybe it was for attention, and it seems you got what you wanted. Congrats I guess? If you want to actually do something for this community be sure to reach out to me, as I would love to see more community leaders getting involved.
So, I’ll fight my need to fix things and just let you continue as now instead of responding to anything I am actually saying you are trying to spread more FUD, lies.. and well, make drama. Good luck and have a nice day.
He replied to my reply to you as if it was directed to him... ahahah have a good life too! :D
LOL, I am not @llfarms.
Oh thank god, I was having an identity crisis there for a minute.
you are proven thief you fucking scumbag
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It is not theft if you all sent the bids on your own, read the goddamn fine print and STFU
you goddamn TRIGGERED SJW SNOWFLAKES!!!
Then why did you tag him and others? If you had no intention of making it about them?
I replied because I find it sad when a community leader spreads information that is not correct and just an over all FUD attitude that isn’t factual, helpful or even informing anyone of anything or trying to point out an issue. I guess I feel they have a responsibility to the community to do better than that.
In my opinion the state of the Steem community is at a point where there is an amazing opportunity to make a big change. To build something together that benefits us all, to help to push Steem to the place we all know it can be.
For anyone actually paying attention they would see that this is a great time for the community, but it does mean a bit of work.. it’s means we have to work hard with no return to try to make this community better, it means community leaders have to take the initiative to pull their communities together to make a difference, or at least be their representative to make sure they are informed as well as their values are represented.
So, how about you be apart of this amazing opportunity? That would probably be what’s best for the community.
That hat doesn’t fit me lady... all is documented above! :)
My community is one of the biggest and strongest that continue here and no one here can say I don’t work hard every day to make Steem a better place for all of us! I have shit done here... And that is why things like these flag wars and childish behaviors really piss me off, as I said in my post!
I am all in to helping create a better Steem, and things like these don’t help! And now you blame me for spreading FUD? I never come to public unless I find it important enough... and this was... you don’t agree, I’m ok with that, but don’t insult me with your nonsense...
👍🏼 Ok dude
I don't know you @lifarms and I've never heard of you before, you seem to be a nice person, but you are really barking at the wrong tree here, @prc 's dedication for steemit and this blockchain has been proven times and times again, and has been a leader.
He actually attracted and gathered a community of +500 singer,musicians and producers that have been active on this blockchain.
The problem is that not everyone has a skill on Steemit, some people just hide here, take a selfie, befriend top witnesses and expect a big payout.
The status quo get disrupted when people with real skills come play the game, everybody suddenly notice the posers that were not bringing anything new to the table...
We all seem to be on the same side, the side of the people.
Did you read yourself back afterwards?
Megalomaniac much?
Get help, while you still can...
LMFAO
IGNORE THE TURD!!!
I have no mess to clean up, my policy is very clear, as is SmartSteem and other bots with the exact same policy.
And as stated elsewhere, I have made exceptions, but after he threatened (and executed 900 flags) to flag me permanently he can take a hike. This is no mistake either, he is also blacklisted on Steem Cleaners.
But never do I keep anyone's money when it is a mistake on my end, or a bot error, it only applies to spammers, plagiarists, frauds. I got far and wide out of my way to prevent this.
I'd venture to say my blacklist is exponentially larger than what you maintain at DSound, and my blacklist is far more inclusive than just what is on BuildAWhale. Also a good part (more than half?) doesn't even use BuildAWhale, it is more of a community project on par w/ Steem Cleaners. I am also of the minority who use my own stake to flag bad content and abuse.
What is your blacklist, a couple hundred names? 40,000 accounts that haven't come to your doorstep disclosing their spammers is a very different level. I spend 10-80 hours a week finding spam and abuse.
I know what that is when DSound was being invaded with Indonesian copycats... but I never got a penny of other people’s money, not even from Steemit Inc delegation, to fund that effort! With greater responsibility comes greater effort as usual... If you find that what you did is ok, good to you... I don’t have to agree with you...
As I stated earlier in another comment (which is of course hidden) I was going to refund him but he has zero patience and threaten to flag all my posts/comments to zero forever (which has started to do 600+ flags later, and has started flagging a curation project I delegate to for free).
Congrats on @fulltimegeek's witness vote by the way.
This is getting far too low for me...
I didn’t even knew about the witness vote... And I never asked anyone anything or do anything with any favor in mind! That is so disgusting...
Done with this conversation mate! Have a good life!
Quit posting your ToS like it’s a shield to hide your appalling behavior. It’s irritating. You could have just done the decent human thing, given the money back with a firm statement that you were not interested his business. But no, you needed to be a dramatic queen about it. I’m sure there are many of us who are disgusted by your behavior.
For all the good you do, you ruin it with your constant pettiness and childish behavior. I’m more horrified that @ausbitbank got involved. He must have lost his reason to be dragged down to your petty, drama-loving levels. 🙄 You and your supporters bring down steem as a culture. This is why I increasingly dislike this platform, you’re part of the cancer. People like you will only attract a certain type of people. Anyone who is really decent would not treat others and behave as you do. It’s really not so hard to present your arguments and motivations professionally.
I "got involved" by not immediately bending over for fulltimegeek when he starting demanding I remove my vote for marky over this. I'd already seen this coming, tried to stop him spamming and decided to leave it alone unless he started using bidbots..
In the end all I did was answer a DM, and flag a $70+ shitpost for a whole dollar.
I'm not a fan of the trolling, or lack of refund - but the terms of service are clear on his rights here. Fulltimegeek is in the wrong, and has been for a long time, and is now using threats , intimidation and flags to try and get his way.
Do you have any evidence of that? I have never demanded anything from you - nor would I ever. You're free to vote for whoever you want. All I said was that @theMarkyMark is a thief and to please reconsider your witness vote for him. I've always been polite and cordial to you so I'm not sure where you're getting this from?
I would like to say that I have never flagged you and nor am I planning to. Also, how am I suppose to get that account's reputation above 0 if I don't use bid bots? All I want is for it to be unhidden and archived on the blockchain.
Why aren't you helping combat this problem then? I don't troll people but the guy you're defending does. I don't steal from people, but the guy you're defending does. Also, I apologize if you think the information that @proboards provides is spam, but I personally consider it to be crucial for winning the information war.
Proboards is spam, you cut and pasted it, never mind the information is worthless garbage, it is spam by everyone's definition. You should be on a spammer blacklist, you are spamming. You should have a negative reputation. You live in a bubble surround yourself with people you delegate to and upvote, welcome to finding out how everyone else feels about it. Its fucking spam.
Awe, that's all you want?
Well, Antonio, TOO FUCKING BAD YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT.
I hope you're staying warm. Got some snow heading your way!
Snowflakes coming your way Antonio, better watch out!
Thanks for the clarification. I’ll leave it at that.
As is pedronimo lmao
I was going to but he isn't very patient before threatening to flag me forever. But there is a reason we have that policy and why other bots use it too and it's not for additional profit. It also doesn't happen very often.
@ausbitbank got involved because FTG bullied to remove his vote if he didn't remove mine.
I don’t agree with how you escalated this. As a business owner and witness, your handling of this matter was very poor, regardless of ToS. I’ve had my vent, I’ll not bore you with my reasoning. Appreciate you took the time to respond, so have a nice day.