Just looking at the list I LOL'd when I got to the end. While I fall into the #1 category, there is no doubt it will be done if I do it or not and I can do a lot to prevent the amount of garbage being rewarded from it ( which I do).
My blacklist is no over 1,000 individually researched and verified by myself. Something most of the other bot owners want no part of due to the massive time involved and the lost revenue. I couldn't even give my blacklist away if I tried.
isn't that just a 1000 line text file ... you don't need to add the research :D you could probably paste it in a post and that would be bad enough for those people, well if anyone takes that into account.
Still at least you are trying, some don't even bother, ones are too high on the steem others are too dead inside to care, I'd say you are doing fine, humm maybe request help then, give a percentage of the earnings to researchers and so on... just ideas, good luck, make sure to do something good, it's your power after all :)
But yeah the video is funny and quite on point, that EOS at least, I'm sure dan doesn't care much what happens to steem, plus EOS is already above in the market cap, it's even pushing ADA(Cardano) so those are projects with huge backing.
It will be interesting to see where things head, I mean a few days ago I saw a beast of a node by supposedly a witness team called EOS Gravity, there are probably as many ideas if not more for EOS as much as there are SMT
Still steem should be fine unless something takes the center stage as a social media.
I'm wondering "Minds" is doing, that would be the best contender, even tho so far there isn't a blockchain and it would be hard in the current environment to make one.
Running a bot is a deal breaker for me. My 500 SP vote is not likely to affect you very much, yet keep it in mind as the more minnows that feel the same could begin to have an affect.
In every other way you seemed a fine choice of witness to me.
With me at the helm, much of the garbage doesn’t get rewarded as I am extremely active in stopping and preventing spam.
That is precisely why you and @nextgencrypto have my vote. What do you think of the likelihood of yall being able to effect a change to the reputation system specifically in allowing lesser rep individuals with stake to affect higher rep scammers. I've read that this isn't possible.
Would you know if on a code level that this is the case? I believe @berniesanders was able to destroy a rep 59 account so it may not be. Still yet, some clarity on the issue would be very helpful.
I would like to know that I am able to affect a level 57 accounts rep before I go wasting my VP as it may be better for me to target a lower tier scammer otherwise.
The way rep works is there is a check if your rep is higher than targets, if so, then it subtracts rshares from the target's raw rep number.
SP isn't factored into it until the first check (if rep higher) passes.
Rep, in theory, can't be bought and takes time to develop, and is more meaningful metric than Steem Power when adjusting the rep of others, but in practice, rep is easily gained up or down and virtually meaningless when it can be bought from bots with no actual costs to users.
In a nutshell, rep is busted big time and virtually useless.
After working my way through the witness list on steemian.info and still having 5 votes not used brought me back to rethink my decision to remove my vote for you, @themarkymark.
Considering the strict overview you are giving your bot let us agree to disagree about its use while returning my support to your witnessing.
I'd rather have a witness run one, to be honest, and yes I am a witness and I run one. At this point though, almost everyone is involved in a bid bot of some sort, it's pretty much in the on-boarding. It's no longer 3-4 bid bots, there are even 7 cent bid bots with minimum bids of 5 cents. It's become a circus.
just another way we can engage this battle from a different direction. @fulltimegeek is going at it direct, but there are many ways to support his efforts. By adding a few community minded witnesses that "understand" the issues, we might even wake a few of them up. Hint: we don't have to win all the seats, just enough to make them pay attention to what is important to the people.
This was one of my campaign banners when I ran in 2016.
Is there a way to find out the witnesses campaigns, so to speak? Most of the time I don't really know who to vote for because I don't know what they stand for. I currently vote for those who I've seen being supportive across the board.
I am so glad you asked that @minismallholding (love the name btw)... I completely understand, and that is why we are gearing up for a series of witness interviews. We already have 4 lined up and plan on having as many as possible. #newbieresteemday and several other groups will be doing the promotion. Keep your eyes open as it should be coming with a few weeks. If you have any suggestions or contacts, you may get ahold of our lead guy on this @mellofello ... Thanks for the question, I'm glad you brought it up!
Agreed, but my thoughts are that we get new witnesses that encourage community building behavior. Why fund the people that let the abuse occur? Threaten to cut off their source of money and they will modify behavior rather quickly!
Is there a 'quick list' of which witnesses own which bots? I'm sure I could go and dig them bit by bit but it's 3.30am right now and I might not make it to the end...
but you need to use 47 of them to get anymore viewers.
Thank you for putting that out there. I already worked out that you're never going to do more than break even on what you pay for them, but wondered whether they were used more for getting on trending. I guess not unless you've got a lot to shell out in the first place.
so others are doing it and some are even abusing it you could say, dunno I've bought upvotes, but I just feel sad this place is less and less "human" plus the other sad part is how it's built to favor just that, how people even enjoy it and like it...
While I'm happy with that on one level - it's a stark reminder that the 'financial clout' of these two massive communities put together is nothing compared to the power of a few people's capital.
Not only did you compile 5 rants in a video that's less than 3 minutes long... You also nailed it!
I truly miss the "good old days". And I'm not talking about 6 months ago. I'm talking about how it was when I joined Steemit in July 2016.
Circlejerks, good whales & bad... But more importantly, manual curation and tons of people willing to reward good content.
Nowadays, you're pretty much forced to either buy votes or delegate your Steem Power to bid bots to generate something from your contributions. So even though I like many things about Steemit's development and growth... I also dislike a handful of things.
manual curation and tons of people willing to reward good content.
That's the real issue; the auto curation and unwillingness of the majority of the people with appreciable SP to curate good contests, are some of the issues bedeviling present day my Steemit. Some people with big SP put friends and kins in autovote and forget rest of the community.
Although I wasn't here in 2016 but I can relate how well organized things were then.
I pray that these isolated cases are addressed in future hardfork. Thanks and nice meeting you.
@eurogee, the founder of @euronation community & The Host, Show Us Your Witnesses Weekly Contest
love your rant @fulltimegeek . Unsure if you are aware but i am fully funding my own UI build for Steem and would and could use your influence, assistance, connections, and anything you can do to help me raise enough funding to build my UI. I have allocated about 2k USD for my devs to help me build this, and i have created all the UX/ UI and have one other helper for some minor design work. At this time i know you are fighting the fight but i was curious since you delegated to me freely perhaps you have the right clientele to help me get my project going and completed. Unsure how much work there is to do, im getting an estimate today/tomorrow on my build so far. I have a github for the work. Im looking for anyone that knows the platform or knows react. IF anyone would like to donate SBD to @sugarsteem that'd be great, at least i know then that my out of pocket money is helping towards the bettering of a bomb UI for steem. Please let me know if you have any ideas to assist in my build. I'll definitely take on designers, react developers or kind big whales that can donate SBD or Steem power to my build. Much appreciated and I LOVE these videos dude. they make me laugh rediculously hard. hahahah. thanks man :)
lol, thanks for watching the vid. I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Regarding funding dev work, have you been leveraging the Utopian.io platform? I'm under the impression that they support open-source projects. I will surely try to do what I can via upvotes as well. I'll also keep an eye for other possible contributors.
hmm... i have had some chatter about utopian-io from @cryptoctopus but am unsure how that all works sadly im still too new. I would like to build this UI with the intention of helping the community but also by creating a way to make an impression here as well as make Steem as a benificiary for my build. I am unsure if utopian allows that? no idea... My goal is to build something amazing and improved for all of steem to build but also have an outlet for myself that could be profitable as well. Long term goal would be to build it full time for a while. and teach scuba on the weekends lol... So many ppl here are doing so many things i dont fully understand collecting an income from bitbots, to witnesses, to server hosts etc. Im just trying to use my skills to get in on a piece of the pie. i just hate the UI's that we are limited to access Steem. So i plan to build my own that is more fluid with the community. So i am unsure about Utopian. I think that is why ive been a little bit standoffish. Again it could be because i dont understand the platform as well as you or others and could def appreciate some guidance and help. let me know what you think or how best for me to grow and im totally down. :)
haha... love it.. nice to hear your rants! I particularly think the point about people complaining and not doing anything about it... If you want something done, then do it. Don't talk about it, just make it happen!
Great job of leading the pack and I know I speak for many when I say that you have earned our respect! Thank you @fulltimegeek! :)
I think EOS will kill steemit in the future if someone will not take action in the problems of steemit. But the problems is what steemit is created as, things just grows like a monster to haunt us, a snowball effect happens on accounts which really is not the fault of account owners.
Just looking at the list I LOL'd when I got to the end. While I fall into the #1 category, there is no doubt it will be done if I do it or not and I can do a lot to prevent the amount of garbage being rewarded from it ( which I do).
My blacklist is no over 1,000 individually researched and verified by myself. Something most of the other bot owners want no part of due to the massive time involved and the lost revenue. I couldn't even give my blacklist away if I tried.
isn't that just a 1000 line text file ... you don't need to add the research :D you could probably paste it in a post and that would be bad enough for those people, well if anyone takes that into account.
Still at least you are trying, some don't even bother, ones are too high on the steem others are too dead inside to care, I'd say you are doing fine, humm maybe request help then, give a percentage of the earnings to researchers and so on... just ideas, good luck, make sure to do something good, it's your power after all :)
But yeah the video is funny and quite on point, that EOS at least, I'm sure dan doesn't care much what happens to steem, plus EOS is already above in the market cap, it's even pushing ADA(Cardano) so those are projects with huge backing.
It will be interesting to see where things head, I mean a few days ago I saw a beast of a node by supposedly a witness team called EOS Gravity, there are probably as many ideas if not more for EOS as much as there are SMT
Still steem should be fine unless something takes the center stage as a social media.
I'm wondering "Minds" is doing, that would be the best contender, even tho so far there isn't a blockchain and it would be hard in the current environment to make one.
Running a bot is a deal breaker for me. My 500 SP vote is not likely to affect you very much, yet keep it in mind as the more minnows that feel the same could begin to have an affect.
In every other way you seemed a fine choice of witness to me.
If I do or don’t they don’t go away. Even if they do the end results don’t change, they just go underground.
With me at the helm, much of the garbage doesn’t get rewarded as I am extremely active in stopping and preventing spam.
How often you see bot owners block their best customers (spammers?).
I also do a daily curation to reward good authors, another unique part of what I offer. It’s far more than just a bot.
Much of what I make doesn’t even go to me, it goes to delegation.
I respect you position though. No worries.
That is precisely why you and @nextgencrypto have my vote. What do you think of the likelihood of yall being able to effect a change to the reputation system specifically in allowing lesser rep individuals with stake to affect higher rep scammers. I've read that this isn't possible.
Would you know if on a code level that this is the case? I believe @berniesanders was able to destroy a rep 59 account so it may not be. Still yet, some clarity on the issue would be very helpful.
I would like to know that I am able to affect a level 57 accounts rep before I go wasting my VP as it may be better for me to target a lower tier scammer otherwise.
The way rep works is there is a check if your rep is higher than targets, if so, then it subtracts rshares from the target's raw rep number.
SP isn't factored into it until the first check (if rep higher) passes.
Rep, in theory, can't be bought and takes time to develop, and is more meaningful metric than Steem Power when adjusting the rep of others, but in practice, rep is easily gained up or down and virtually meaningless when it can be bought from bots with no actual costs to users.
In a nutshell, rep is busted big time and virtually useless.
After working my way through the witness list on steemian.info and still having 5 votes not used brought me back to rethink my decision to remove my vote for you, @themarkymark.
Considering the strict overview you are giving your bot let us agree to disagree about its use while returning my support to your witnessing.
My apologies for my flip flopping.
It’s all good, and thanks.
Number 2 item and number 6 got my attention. And funny enough they got same comment.
Around 15 out of the top 20 witnesses own or delegate to bid-bots.
I used one today to promote my 'hey i'll pay you to curate and engage league', but you need to use 47 of them to get anymore viewers.
And when I look a trending... naaa
Peace!
I'd rather have a witness run one, to be honest, and yes I am a witness and I run one. At this point though, almost everyone is involved in a bid bot of some sort, it's pretty much in the on-boarding. It's no longer 3-4 bid bots, there are even 7 cent bid bots with minimum bids of 5 cents. It's become a circus.
In the on-boarding? Maybe the tag needs to be changed to 'pay to play' then?
I'm sure I could find 30 Witness without Bot dealings... like, 50% sure :)
I'm sure I can find 30 witnesses that don't even login to steemit or even think of it as well.
Seems a bit off topic?
30 here, not bleeding the place dry.
how about we find a way to change that Asher! ;)
That is certainly an idea........ :)
just another way we can engage this battle from a different direction. @fulltimegeek is going at it direct, but there are many ways to support his efforts. By adding a few community minded witnesses that "understand" the issues, we might even wake a few of them up. Hint: we don't have to win all the seats, just enough to make them pay attention to what is important to the people.
This was one of my campaign banners when I ran in 2016.
Is there a way to find out the witnesses campaigns, so to speak? Most of the time I don't really know who to vote for because I don't know what they stand for. I currently vote for those who I've seen being supportive across the board.
I am so glad you asked that @minismallholding (love the name btw)... I completely understand, and that is why we are gearing up for a series of witness interviews. We already have 4 lined up and plan on having as many as possible. #newbieresteemday and several other groups will be doing the promotion. Keep your eyes open as it should be coming with a few weeks. If you have any suggestions or contacts, you may get ahold of our lead guy on this @mellofello ... Thanks for the question, I'm glad you brought it up!
Good to hear, thanks for to you all for taking the time to do this.
You're certainly welcome... And hopefully we help connect people to the witnesses they would really like!
@davemccoy I think we already have a way. We all stop using these bots altogether and we will do good.
Agreed, but my thoughts are that we get new witnesses that encourage community building behavior. Why fund the people that let the abuse occur? Threaten to cut off their source of money and they will modify behavior rather quickly!
absolutely.
I will check through my witness votes now and see who's naughty or nice. I really can't see these bots helping the network in the long run.
Is there a 'quick list' of which witnesses own which bots? I'm sure I could go and dig them bit by bit but it's 3.30am right now and I might not make it to the end...
Thank you.
No, the bottracker page doesn't list that :)
I got half way through a list before but I will try to finish one soon.
Do let me know when it is ready. Thank you.
Ready.
Got it - thanks for your work on that list.
No problem. May have got away without angering anyone :)
Maybe wear a disguise and a big hat for a few days...
Where is it? Checked your blog and nothing looked relative. Will gladly shift my witness votes from any running a bot.
Thank you for putting that out there. I already worked out that you're never going to do more than break even on what you pay for them, but wondered whether they were used more for getting on trending. I guess not unless you've got a lot to shell out in the first place.
no worries :)
For trending, you are looking at 150-200 SBD. And perhaps a 25% loss on that in returns. But hey, you'll pick up a load of clueless followers!!
Lol! Very good point!
You pickup a lot of this:
Good post.
I followed you, you follow me.
I like your picture so I followed you.
Thanks for this post!!
so others are doing it and some are even abusing it you could say, dunno I've bought upvotes, but I just feel sad this place is less and less "human" plus the other sad part is how it's built to favor just that, how people even enjoy it and like it...
It's grim - My last post got both @sndbox-alpha 'd and @curie 'd - $45.
While I'm happy with that on one level - it's a stark reminder that the 'financial clout' of these two massive communities put together is nothing compared to the power of a few people's capital.
Yes indeed.
Well done though! I may know who pushed that one to curie :)
Omg! This video was awesome! Ahahah you have a hilarious personality, and your eyebrows express a lot.
Also totally agree with you on your rants! Hahahah spits 😂
This.was.great.
Not only did you compile 5 rants in a video that's less than 3 minutes long... You also nailed it!
I truly miss the "good old days". And I'm not talking about 6 months ago. I'm talking about how it was when I joined Steemit in July 2016.
Circlejerks, good whales & bad... But more importantly, manual curation and tons of people willing to reward good content.
Nowadays, you're pretty much forced to either buy votes or delegate your Steem Power to bid bots to generate something from your contributions. So even though I like many things about Steemit's development and growth... I also dislike a handful of things.
/Eagerly waiting for rant 7,8,9,10,11.
Hello @hitmeasap
That's the real issue; the auto curation and unwillingness of the majority of the people with appreciable SP to curate good contests, are some of the issues bedeviling present day my Steemit. Some people with big SP put friends and kins in autovote and forget rest of the community.
Although I wasn't here in 2016 but I can relate how well organized things were then.
I pray that these isolated cases are addressed in future hardfork. Thanks and nice meeting you.
@eurogee, the founder of @euronation community & The Host, Show Us Your Witnesses Weekly Contest
love your rant @fulltimegeek . Unsure if you are aware but i am fully funding my own UI build for Steem and would and could use your influence, assistance, connections, and anything you can do to help me raise enough funding to build my UI. I have allocated about 2k USD for my devs to help me build this, and i have created all the UX/ UI and have one other helper for some minor design work. At this time i know you are fighting the fight but i was curious since you delegated to me freely perhaps you have the right clientele to help me get my project going and completed. Unsure how much work there is to do, im getting an estimate today/tomorrow on my build so far. I have a github for the work. Im looking for anyone that knows the platform or knows react. IF anyone would like to donate SBD to @sugarsteem that'd be great, at least i know then that my out of pocket money is helping towards the bettering of a bomb UI for steem. Please let me know if you have any ideas to assist in my build. I'll definitely take on designers, react developers or kind big whales that can donate SBD or Steem power to my build. Much appreciated and I LOVE these videos dude. they make me laugh rediculously hard. hahahah. thanks man :)
lol, thanks for watching the vid. I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Regarding funding dev work, have you been leveraging the Utopian.io platform? I'm under the impression that they support open-source projects. I will surely try to do what I can via upvotes as well. I'll also keep an eye for other possible contributors.
hmm... i have had some chatter about utopian-io from @cryptoctopus but am unsure how that all works sadly im still too new. I would like to build this UI with the intention of helping the community but also by creating a way to make an impression here as well as make Steem as a benificiary for my build. I am unsure if utopian allows that? no idea... My goal is to build something amazing and improved for all of steem to build but also have an outlet for myself that could be profitable as well. Long term goal would be to build it full time for a while. and teach scuba on the weekends lol... So many ppl here are doing so many things i dont fully understand collecting an income from bitbots, to witnesses, to server hosts etc. Im just trying to use my skills to get in on a piece of the pie. i just hate the UI's that we are limited to access Steem. So i plan to build my own that is more fluid with the community. So i am unsure about Utopian. I think that is why ive been a little bit standoffish. Again it could be because i dont understand the platform as well as you or others and could def appreciate some guidance and help. let me know what you think or how best for me to grow and im totally down. :)
haha... love it.. nice to hear your rants! I particularly think the point about people complaining and not doing anything about it... If you want something done, then do it. Don't talk about it, just make it happen!
Great job of leading the pack and I know I speak for many when I say that you have earned our respect! Thank you @fulltimegeek! :)
Amen brother, you just described everything to a T in under 3mins!
He sure did!
I think EOS will kill steemit in the future if someone will not take action in the problems of steemit. But the problems is what steemit is created as, things just grows like a monster to haunt us, a snowball effect happens on accounts which really is not the fault of account owners.