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RE: Myth: Norwegian health care is very good
oh, are you from Norway?
I often write posts about your Barnevarn.
I'm eager to know the opinion of the insider about it. There are thousands of stories when kids are taken away from parents, and the rules for parents in your country (especially for imigrants) are extremely strickt.
about the topic of your post - it was VERY interesting to know the truth, thank you so much! We really think Norway is a rich and a very successful country in all spheres, but when we look deeper, we can find many "black holes".
As for the medicine in Russia - I don't know why you think so well of it;)
Especialy I can hardly find positive moments in this sphere of my country's life.
We've had numerous meetings with the Barnevern ourself, and we have friends that have been hit hard. I'm quite sure that if you'd ask my wife, she could go on and tell lots of negative things about Barnevernet.
I believe I have written several comments and maybe even a post both about Barnevernet in particular and the CPSes in general, but I can't find back to it.
Let me start writing a bit about Child Protection Services in general, I believe there is a lot of common ground. Some thoughts:
There is a lot of subjectivity in the CPSes, so the outcome of a case will quite much depend on the employees handling them. There are also quite many young ladies working for the CPS, they have lots of personal opinions and they don't really have the experience for doing a good job ... like, they haven't become mothers yet, as for Barnevernet probably many of them have a very Norwegian monocultural background, hence not understanding other cultural points of view. Probably most of them really want to do what they think is best for the children, but quite often they fail. If one can get an experienced and clever person, preferably one that have been through quite some parenting experience on her/his own, then one is lucky.
Working for the CPS one will probably see a lot of misery, one will always meet a lot of negativity, both in the press and from parents ... and whatever decisions they do, it will most often be between "bad" and "worse". Quite often they don't really experience the consequences of their actions, and quite often their actions won't really help. Who can stand year after year in such a job? I think that any normal, clever person who has the chance to find another job eventually will move on and leave the CPS. Hence, the probability of actually getting to talk with that clever, experienced lady at the CPS may be rather slim.
The CPS is most likely getting an undeserved amount of bad press. The cases where they should have been intervening but didn't, the cases where they did intervene but didn't, that's the cases we hear about, we never hear about the success stories where the CPS actually did a good job. Also, even if the CPS actually did intervene because they had to, they of course cannot tell their side of the story to the press.
As for Barnevernet, here in Norway it's not allowed to use any violence against children, and that's very strict - this is really a red line, if a parent spanks their children and Barnevernet learns about it, then the child will most likely be relocated. This comes as a big shock for many foreigners. I believe that is the biggest difference between Barnevernet and other CPSes.
I believe there really is a need for CPSes, as not everyone are good parents. What can be done? I think one of the biggest problems is that there is a lot of stigma involved, and parents generally don't want anything to do with the CPS. Moreover, quite some parents are filled up with fear and anxiosity when meeting the CPS. I have one suggestion ... drop the word "protection" from the name of the agencies, make it into a friendly agency that has the main purpose to help parents rather than protect children. Make them have regular meetings with all parents, not only "suspected" parents, I believe most parents needs some guidance and advises on how to be good parents.
wow!..
thank you SO much for such a detailed answer that can be a separate post itself;)
have you seen familyprotection community here in steemit?
it deals with protection of families from CPS.
You're right, no normal person can work long in Barnevarn..
and yes, you've proved my information about it...so all the info in the web is true..it's dangerous to be a parent in Norway;(
Maybe we've just been lucky. Well, my wife was eventually not happy at all with the birth clinic service.
did you give birth to your baby in Russia??
our medicine is veeery far from being perfect or even good.
all people who have such a financial possibility choose foreign clinics and foreign doctors. I can't say they all are bad, no, there are really great specialists, but there are much more "doctors" who just earn money, and it has nothing to do with treatment
All three of them, but the last one was born at home. I've covered some of it in my first steem post, giving birth at home
thank you for the link!
a very interesting and useful information!
I gave birth to my only son in our ordinary clinic, but the deeper I investigate modern medicine, the more I want to give birth ot my next baby at home...
premature cutting of the umbilical cord, stimulation of labor, hormonal injections etc..I coul miss much horror, thanks God, my parturition was natural and easy, but I really have a pity I let premature cutting of the umbilical cord..I just didn't know the truth then..:(
you're so loving and brave husband!
and your wife is a wise woman!
it was interesting to know that in Norway doctors dont want to accept women to birth clinics until a baby doesn't start to "knock" to this world's doors;)
here in Russia it's better to be under doctor's observation for a week before the birth.But..sometimes such medical "help" harms more than its absence:(