RE: Drei Worte zu Mozart und Chopin
I appreciate your perspective - it’s clear you have a deeper background in music theory than I do. I’m coming at this from a general listener’s standpoint, so my view is naturally different.
When I said “German symphonic approach,” I simply meant music where emotion is carried through structure like long pieces that unfold like a story. Some people love the architectural, intellectual side of music; others connect more to the immediate emotional expression. Both are completely valid.
And about Maria João Pires:
I wasn’t referring to opera at all. I only meant that her playing leans toward intimate, emotional storytelling rather than grand symphonic architecture.
From hence I marched through some history of music. This has at first hand nothing to do with emotional versus intellectual dimensions of the respective music.
It’s just the impression I got from your comments: you seem to lean toward structure and innovation as the core measure of “greatness” - mentioning dramatic arcs, formal development, and naming Bach, Handel, and Haydn as the primary giants of the 18th century. That’s a respectable musical lens.
I guess from a technical, historical viewpoint, your argument makes sense. From a listener’s and performer’s lens, Mozart and Chopin feel like giants, not “secondary” ones. I think both viewpoints can coexist.
I did not want to destroy a listener's ranking, especially be it a personal one. My 'heroes' have not to be the greatest among their professions. Speaking of some kind of greatness makes presumptions and needs criteria, and speaking of my personal favorites uses other 'presumpteria'. So, if the music of a given composer overwhelms me, I may feel for him (or her) as would she / he be a giant. This is very okay.
But my feelings are feelings and not a viewpoint. My feelings can coexist with the viewpoint of other composers to be greater, since my feelings are nearer to me then other people's thoughts, arguments, and viewpoints.
Formal development has been meant as a historical process which you can not immediately hear while listening to a piece of music. If you are trained in historical evolvements, you will be able to recognise some elements, and then it is possible that your emotions by such intellectual knowing get deeper then before.
Dramatic arcs on the other hand are at first hand of emotional quality. You can experience them rather than reflecting on them.
The last five or six or seven symphonies of Mozart show such dramatic arcs and in this way they are emotionally deeper than his symphonies before.
Chopin's piano concertos show lacks while the construction of such arcs. If you listen attentively you will remark it. But this is of course no 'must do'!
I didn't feel like you were destroying anything. And even if you did, it wouldn't change my personal ranking - I'm already convinced of what I like and I don't need anyone else's approval for that.
But your historical and technical points did open my eyes. They gave me a new way to listen - it lets me appreciate parts of the music I wasn’t paying attention to before. So yes, it’s a new perspective, and a useful one, I think.
Thanks for sharing these points! I'm glad to read these - both, of course. ;-)