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RE: An Experiment in Anarchism

in Anarchism5 years ago (edited)

What if it is neither, and the Constitution is functioning exactly as it was always intended to function by the political class? Or what if it is a meaningless instrument with no authority whatsoever despite our national mythology?

I am not a signatory. Neither are you. The people who signed it are all long dead. None of them represented either of us in any way. Are we party to it?

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But it is not. Did you not see what happened in 1871 and 1913 and especially 1933? People should vote and protest and call their representatives and go to town halls and protest and make videos and write articles and send mail to Trump and educate people and do all they can to help.

We are where we are because people have been working within the system. It hasn't worked. We are not represented. There is no agent/principal relationship even between politicians and those who voted for them.

What are you doing about it? That is the only thing that matters. You can cry all day like an NPC leftist soy boy. The only thing that matters is education as a starting point towards a better future.

Indeed, what people are doing about it matters. However, doing ineffective or counterproductive things does not achieve liberty. You said we need to play the political game in order to fight against the political system's centralizing and corrupting trend. I asked how that has been effective or productive. You called names. Hmmm.

I am doing things. You are not. You are simply telling me to die. You are telling me to do nothing. I am promoting actions that work.

I specifically questioned the efficacy of political action. Instead of offering a rational argument, you resorted to insults. I am not telling you to die, I am asking you to reconsider one of your chosen courses of action to see whether it is a good use of your time and energy, or if it might even be counterproductive. You said you wanted to make government smaller and more local. First, is this rwalistic, and second, will it produce greater liberty? You brought it up. Defe d your position. If all you can do is build strawman arguments and spew insults, maybe that should tell you something about your position.

As it stands, we have some 24 decades of US dederal and state government growth, consistent and frequent vilatuons ognthe constitutions alleged to restrain them, rampant police state abuse, an uneducated electorate devoted to economic and political falsehoods, and a system of entrenched corporate and government bureaucracy devoted to political plunder and its justification.

We need to undermine this system. It can't be cured by participating in it. Democracy isn't inherently virtuous. Cancer can't be cured with cancer.

You said that we need to "Undermine this system" and I do not disagree and I never said that we should not and cannot undermine this system and I am trying to describe the path towards doing that same thing which you wrote there, I am on that same path, that same page, but the process is gradual in the attempt at getting more and more people onboard to take action and to be educated and to be interested. Keep in mind that everything is cancer. Now, communists disagree. Socialists believe that you can get rid of the cancer that you mentioned. But the cancer is in the heart of men.

And you enjoy lying. So, you are Bernie Sanders. You make up stuff. I tell people to buy canned foods. I tell people to get solar panels. I tell people thousands of different things for many years. I talk about it. Thousands of articles. Thousands of videos. I share ideas. I network. I am always talking. Get water filters. Take Vitamin C. Call people up and tell them what they need to know.

I haven't lied. I haven't advocated anything resembling Bernie Sanders' politics. What do you think I made up?

By all means, continue advocating prepping. That is an effective course of action to promote liberty. But how do you know the ideas you sharevare sou d when your only rebuttal to dissent is a stream of invective? This is like arguing with a socialist whose only response to disagreement is to accuse someone of being a Nazi.

If you're not going in a clear direction, then I might assume you are Bernie. A Nazi does not allow for discussion. A tyrant does not have conversation. They shut you up. They don't listen. Like YouTube videos with disabled comment sections. Raising awareness is one of the first steps in making the world a better place.

I questioned the clarity of your direction, and you flipped out. I have offered conversation, and you respond with inanity and insult. I am trying to raise awareness that the political process allowed by the system is never going to be a threat to the system.

I don't want to mute you from this group, so could you please after all this time in the thread actually support your initial claim to be making government smaller and more local, and tell us why that is a viable strategy?

Again, we have the writings of Lysander Spooner demolishing the concept of Constitutional authority and governmental representation. We also have public choice economic theory deconstructing the motivations and perverse incentives of bureaucrats, politicians, and voters. We also have numerous psychological studies on the corrupting effects of power. Government is not a solution regardless of its scale based on these and numerous other factors.

But instead of addressing anything I have raised, you called names. Instead of asking what avenues I proposed as alternatives, you accused me of supporting Bernie Sanders. That is absurd. It is not civil discourse. It is not rational debate. It is not cool.