RESIST
We will resist the @GrumpyCat
Dear friends, comrades, people with courage...
This @grumpycat has no intention to stop. We again had fresh posts downvoted by @grumpycat today.
- I have tried to talk to him reasonably - no effect
- I have started a protest - no effect
- I tried to contact whales and call for help - no help
Now it is time, steemians for steemians.
I want to announce that I am working on building a fighting and defending bot.
I am not a coder as a profession and until now I was able only to develop crap android games and client-side applications.
Now I am planning to build a server-side application that will :
- Allow people to register and allocate voting-weight to the system.
- With this voting weight, we will :
- Upvote people that are downvoted by @grumpycat ( mass protect )
- Downvote @grumpycat's self-upvoted posts.(for all the known accounts like @checkthisout) ( piranha attack )
- We will remove our votes if @grumpycat removes his vote because he first pisses with a tiny upvote to mark the post that he will super upvote later.
- We will put "resistance flag" from only one post for all downvotes and upvotes.
- It will be completely open-source.Anyone can check the source code and see their posting keys are not visible.
Right now, @grumpycat is at 370k SP. Normally to fight equally we need at least 1000 people with an average of 300 SP.
But even with 100 or 200 people, we can give a hurt and defend, and it is better than nothing.
If there is someone, that is experienced in node-js development and that can develop this code please inform me because for me it will take days and nights.
For someone with enough experience, it is 5 hrs job and utopian will pay.
Forget the whales, they will not join this fight because they will be a single target.
But we will be a mass target that protects each other.
Who is in?
FD.
One problem; @grumpycat can flag after the 6.5 day mark, and you can't upvote after that. The only way to get around this (that I've found) is to upvote a newer post instead.
Also, @danielsaori wrote an awesome counter vote script that counts flag/s value and neutralizes up to the exact reward with an upvote. This may be a good piece of the puzzle to get you started.
Pointless.
Dear wannabe witness, please explain to us how bidbots implementing a 3.5 day limit allows @grumpycat to do anything more after 6.5 days.
Pointless.
If you think my flagging increase how much or the reward pool I can get from self-voting Vs. only self-voting, you clearly don't understand enough of how Steem work to consider becoming a top witness.
You purchased votes on your post on the 5th day for snatching a profit.
https://steemit.com/fun/@drakos/drakos-typical-day-on-steemit-told-by-cats
If you think I owe you 40 SBD you're a bigger moron than I thought.
You know what, I changed my mind about you. I had flagged your comment then decided to unflag it, it's no use. You are a masterful artist and you're playing your cards very well. Go grumpy! In fact, I encourage you to keep doing what you're doing, because apparently the bigger whales don't seem to care, so enjoy the ride while it lasts.
grumpycat 1 - steemit 0
Not really, if youre hurt accumulate enough power anf do yours in return.
If ned could upvote his comment to 2000 and no one, not even bernie reacted, then i suggest you look st this site the right way, a place where no one gives a fuck about you, but those with power can control you.
Get power, and become a strong hold.
Grumpy flagged me for using sneaky ninja, o well.
You just earned my tiny witness vote.
Best of luck!
Wow bravo, I'm snatching HUGE profits with a 40 SBD bid while you just proved again your reward raping with upvoting your comment $126. Multiply that 100 times and you make a hefty reward weekly don't you? Under the guise of doing the platform a favor. Oh and yeh, placeholders where you upvote yourself at day 6, Mr hypocrite. Keep raping. I'll send you a postcard when I become a top witness.
https://phist.steemdata.com/history?identifier=https%3A%2F%2Fsteemit.com%2Flife%2F%40firedream%2Fresist%23%40drakos%2Fre-grumpycat-re-drakos-re-r0nd0n-re-firedream-resist-20180203t231542144z
You're a phony.
You're annoying.
https://phist.steemdata.com/history?identifier=https%3A%2F%2Fsteemit.com%2Flife%2F%40firedream%2Fresist%23%40drakos%2Fre-r0nd0n-re-firedream-resist-20180203t214734793z
You're a phony.
You're annoying.
https://steemd.com/tx/412502169fc724067b117b23d6683dfd733270dd
wtf is your problem man! douchebag.
Enjoying the ride?
Yes of course, very lovely. Are you?
I originally though I'd have to do it at 6.5 days but most bidbots owners gives no shit about abuse or protecting their legit customers.
It's money grab all the way down.
SO THEN WHY ARE YOU TAKING IT OUT ON THE USERS!?!?! all it does is make us pissed at YOU and legitimately so. Its hard enough convincing people to come to steemit. Why are you making it a bad experience for new users? You downvoted and pissed on a post by an amazing artist and photographer who wrote about suicide ??? She is just trying to make a living off of her art like everyone else. Meanwhile on that post, you upvote your own comment to 3 times the value which.. btw.. you post the exact same thing over and over again. HAVE YOU HEARD OF SPAM? its when people post the same bullshit over and over. We have heard you. We get it. You dont have to destroy peoples hard work to get your point across. AND GUESS WHAT? wit the amount of money that you have, you literally could be giving people an alternative to using bots. You could be upvoting them and you would not only get more support people would not see you as the bad guy.
You may have more money and power than us but we will find a way to stop you, eventually. And since you have done this to multiple female noobs that posted quality content I WILL BE DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO STOP YOU.
The only way to flag an upvote is to counter it.
Why are you flagging upvotes on wuality content???
Again, you could be giving people a positive alternative.. you have enough money to do it!!! We dont need bots if more whales were out here curating.. and giving it all to curie does work because curie is very specific (im a curie curator btw).
I never advise bots. I hate bots. I think that its people making money off of our work when curation rewards already exsist.
Long ago, @beanz suggested that whales employ curators.
In addition to that, promoters could also be employed .
Everyone gets paid after 7 days.
But guess what? Yall not only do not do that.
You also selfvote a bunch of crappy posts. Not just you but trending page is hot or miss. And i tell noobs never go there because all it does is make them feel hopeless, especially with steem going down.
If you want to fight bots, give us an alternative and attack the bot owners directly.
Do not attack us.
We could be for you, or against you. Right now you just look like a jerk. Most people dont engage because they are afraid. Not because they think the 3.5 days rule is actually stopping spam.
Upvoted for trying to understand, but, Fail!
How can we attack bot owner directly? They don't even have posts to flag.
Pain in the short term but in the long term it mean a bit less profit to bots and more accessibility for non-spam uses of promo bots.
Me? i have no problem getting rid of bots all together. BUT guess what? that doesn't fly in the witness pool as far as I've heard because they kinda go hand in hand.
My problem with YOU (besides you upvoting your own posts and comments that aren't worth more than .02 cents) is that you are attacking new users with quality content. I do not care if you downvote shit posts. But we can't live in an ecosystem where bot-owning and using is encouraged and then turn around and punish people for doing it. Sometimes after three days you get desperate and you know your post is worth more.
You are seeming reasonable. Please, consider to stop your actions and come up with a better way to fight this. I am on discord @limabeing#2123 I'm feeling calm and well rested right now though so if you wait too long and Im gonna become shewolf. Winter is coming.....
The end goal is to also go after shitposters buying votes but until the max-max age thing is not reduced by biggest bidbots it doesn't make as much sense. It's doing their work anyway.
One thing at a time.
I think my comments are worth way more that what they earn. But hey, that's just my opinion.
https://steemit.com/life/@zipporah/choosing-life
I have no idea how that works can you help her??? it was up to 20 i think.... it deserves way more and i wish i had seen it before he pissed on it.
"Allow people to register and allocate voting-weight to the system."
Sorry, your system should not require anyone to signup for anything and even if you do go that route you should use Steemconnect which is trusted and open source.
All you really need to do is ask people to delegate SP to the account you plan to use to counter grumpy. So if someone wants to support they can just delegate to that account however much SP they wish to donate and take it away whenever they wish to stop supporting you.
Thank you very much for your recommendation.
I will use steemconnect.Much more trustable.
SP delegation is 7 days and needs trust. Flag bot can be canceled instantly.
I believe the contribution will be higher.
FD.
The tactics employed by grumpy have always irked me. I wish you the best.
Sounds good. I think that people thinking of similar things only adds credence to the possibility of success here. There should be an experiment to see how far we get. We (@firedream) should draft a EULA and disclaimer for users to agree to when delegating SP. This way we can manage our expectations and no one gets hurt.
@firedream I am sorry but I don't think I can actively participate in the resistance. It seems the bot owners would want to free ride on any interventions. And I just dont understand why we would subsidize non GC compliant upvotes which seems like only way to resist is make his intervention just destroy lots of money while making GC net effect zero so actors can just ignore, but the real price would have to be over what the people even send since not just the cost of of the bid, but the opportunity cost of just using a substitute and not having your money locked up as long as it takes for a refund which is unknown until GV strikes so some time value loss to money advantage to the nature of the GC intervention. But if bot owners are not willing to pay such cost then completely pointless to reward them that for free to what real benefit?
I'll be honest I was making a killing for a few days getting 6day upvotes like10-30% returns which is like exponential growth, which it is anyways, but much shorter interval. It was great would love to go back to that for a bit so I can make a killing. But perhaps that is non sustainable, it would cause inflation and devalue steem/sbd by having a significant expansion in the money supply (at least for one special group of actors) without a concurrent and sufficient expansion in utility which, is just whatever people who value steem value.
If I can help promote cool stuff or cool things you are doing do not hestitate to ask me for a resteem or a like. Hope the weekend has been going well for you bud!!
https://steemit.com/philosophy/@fatkat/fatkat-becomes-grumpycat-votebuyer-compliant
@learnguitar, I understand you. The question is, why do not bot owners protect their customers?
I have contacted with sneaky-ninja on the issue to see if I can achieve a quick solution by convincing him.
The result is negative.
But there is a loss of innocent people with fresh posts.
We all have the habbit to wait for the solution from a center since decentralization is new for all of us.
In decentralization, to prevent the rules to be put by the bullies, we have to get organized and change the game.
Thank you for your support. Anything counts.
FD.
Moar like this!
I have just been attacked. I upvoted with sneaky-ninja 10 mins after posting and still got flagged.
I can't post my point of view right now but I will join this resistance by Monday.
Expect my post to be massively seen. GrumpyCat IS a Bully, I did nothing wrong and had no idea this bot was "non-compliant". No warning, just 3 downvotes...
We started resisting and you are invited!
Check this link,spread the word and join us if you would agree.
https://steemit.com/we-resist/@firedream/resistance-started
Discord : https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR
FD
Here's the thing. What really hurts the reward pool are whales like @grumpycat. @grumpycat likes to take the moral high ground allowing people to take his side and allow him to continue his abuse.
Whales could simply self-vote (like @grumpycat) and abuse the rewardpool. However, they figured "Hey! Instead of just growing bigger and bigger while snuffing out minnows, why don't I just give them a chance by letting them buy my vote?"
In an act of mercy, whales seeing the huge problem that is upon our economy started using voting bots. Yes, they're making a killing from SBD; however, it's not nearly as much as if they just self voted. So you see, the rewards are more spread out in the pool thanks to voting bots.
How is @grumpycat hurting things
Well, @grumpycat likes to attack rewards 6.5 days after post. This returns rewards back to the pool. This doesn't benefit steemians. It benefits @grumpycat. Why? Because @grumpycat is abusing the reward pool. While voting bots distribute rewards to users, @grumpycat consolidates them again undoing the benefit of voting bots.
So you all that think @grumpycat is helping because he claims he's going after scammers and abusers, he is the real abuser and collecting all the rewards. It's a con people.
More obvious example (If all whales were like @grumpycat)
Just imagine all the voting bots are gone and whales do what @grumpycat does (self vote). There's barely any rewards left in the pool for minnows, and no way for minnows to increase their rewards. Then what? Think about it.
I've got 100 sp on it. If it is re tooled to only protect people outside of GC compliance. It sucks the bots aren't protecting them and GC isn't either. I will not be subsidizing the upvote bots who could easily have done this a while ago, or at least done it for the collateral damage.
GC unvoted his attack on me so i mean I wasn't collateral damage ultimately, just my time and life was wasted so to that extent I was but worth it to catalyze an important conversation. Which I mean he wants to do what he thinks is right--or profitable--he has the right do what he wants with his proeperty-- and perhaps the collateral damage forces you and me to not sit on the sidelines anymore.
We started resisting and you are invited!
Check this link,spread the word and join us if you would agree.
https://steemit.com/we-resist/@firedream/resistance-started
Discord : https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR
FD
I am in , @grumpycat is a crook .
Thank you for your support.
FD.
We started resisting and you are invited!
Check this link,spread the word and join us if you would agree.
https://steemit.com/we-resist/@firedream/resistance-started
Discord : https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR
FD
I really don’t get how it can police steemit. I didn’t know I wasn’t allowed to use bits that were older than 3.5 days, which begs the question: why the fuck do they allow them? Basically @grumpycat is just stealing money from people. How can this be possible in a “decentralised” network?
It will not police steemit but it will fight against a bully. It may be a mistake but people will learn from it and find other methods to resist bullies.
FD.
"fight against a bully", how? I didn't know I wasn't allowed to use bots that allow posts older than 3.5 days. Where was my warning? I didn't get one. It's fucking wrong. Anyway, if those bots aren't allowed to be used, why do steemit allow them to be used?
jim morrison is da beast.
you know steemit allows anything. people take up their causes. eventually this will blow over.
We started resisting and you are invited!
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Discord : https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR
FD
We should talk.
Sure...I will be available on discord after 10:00 UTC . Daytime job:(
FD.
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STOPHi all! Sorry for being too late to the party. I think I have an alternative. Of course, @firedream, I'd be willing to work on any project you need.
Let me first push out a proposal though https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@r351574nc3/proposal-subscription-model-for-steem-services
This is basically a proposal to reform bots altogether. I want to do subscription-based bots (not just voting) for users. Users can subscribe to services that bots provide through SP delegation. Services are retained as long as delegation is continued.
I recommend this as a solution because it's possible to deploy a voting bot to this platform that uses delegated SP from subscribers to give them benefit. It doesn't take your SBD/STEEM and only grows through curation SP; therefore, the more it curates, the more it grows. Thus, you would be cultivating something to eventually combat the demon cat.
I read your proposal, it is a revolutionary idea in total but I am afraid you can not use it for resisting @grumpycat. People will delegate their SP to you for a benefit and if you start fighting with it, this means you will be spending peoples SP delegations most probably in a fight that they don't want to get involved.
A quicker way should be what @contentjunkie proposed, create a void account, request people to delegate SP to it and fight with it but again this will depend on peoples trust.
Right now we see people who opposes and who wants to resist.
If my way fails, I am sure that someone will come with an alternative method that works, from the lessons derived.
FD.
I get you, that may be so. It sounds like more of a home for where @contentjunkie's solution would live.
This is not easy but it is very good, you will need support from every community
We started resisting and you are invited!
Check this link,spread the word and join us if you would agree.
https://steemit.com/we-resist/@firedream/resistance-started
Discord : https://discord.gg/qMWCbWR
FD