Thank you maneco64 for the update appreciated, there exists a chinese cultural mentality of what they call.. mei ban fa! ( there is nothing to be done one can't do anything about it) and this is what the corporate elite governments are forcing on our cultures to try replace it with, using the totally rigged market, talking to some people in the street the response's i get, it seams they think they are well on there way to achieving this, il keep on resisting and more are awaking so we will see :)