RE: The Disturbing Arrest & Media Blackout of 'Tommy Robinson' & How To Resolve Inter-Cultural Disputes
having not seen the video of his arrest, I am not sure if what he was saying could be termed as inciting violence. May be his words could be construed as trying create a rift in society. Moreover, since the incident happened outside a court, where the process to impart justice was ongoing, i mean there was no reason to stand outside the court and do what he was doing. Again, i think the sentence is harsh for tommy robinson but i can see sense in what was done to him. I say it is harsh because very few muslim clerics are arrested for inciting violence in london parks. but may be outside a court, it is contempt of court a person from any background would have been arrested.
Regarding what need do people have to settle in a land. I am sure britain has no problem with highly skilled immigrants coming in and settling here and contributing positively to the economy. Well all i can say is all kinds of people will want to come to the UK. It is after all cheap labour that is needed by this country. May be too much of it is bothering people. However, britain had no need to go t a foreign land, set up a home, conquer it, loot it and plunder it, destroy the fabric of that society and then complain when it is happening to them.
I do agree that a balance should exist and diversity should be enjoyable for everyone.
just wanted to add, its a very very balanced article btw and kudos for being able to achieve that balance on such a sensitive topic.
Your comments on Britain show your ignorance I'm afraid. Are we to forever look back into history and play the blame game?
Britain has a problem with islamic rape gangs. They are being ignored by the main steam media. thousands of children have been forever traumatised due to mass rape by these gangs. Due to the fact that a liberal metropolitan elite want cheap labour, why should the working class accept these gangs that are produced by this most backward looking, ahem, religion?
Diversity is a buzz word used by hypocritical liberals in my opinion. From their own lips they will tell you they want immigrants to pour their coffee in the mornings!!
Why should the indigenous population have this foisted upon them? They were never asked if they wanted salafi(radical) mosques and Islamic rape gangs in their area.
I don't intend this as an insult and hope you don't take it so but you seem a touch naive. Come to one of the Islamic ghetto's in the UK or Europe and you will soon find the truth.
if you care for childrens and womens rights i don't get how you could ever support people who believe in neither?
My brother is gay and he had to move out of his home due to religious maniacs who wanted to hang him!!
Cheap labour is not required in the UK. Decent labour with decent wages is what is needed, not a race to the bottom. what you talk about seems alot like slavery to me.
Cheap labour? really? Don't we try to stop abusive labor practices in other countries? So why would you want a race to the bottom in the UK?
I think it is fair to say that significant numbers of people in government and corporations do want cheap labour, but probably not the majority of people. I absolutely agree, the entire concept of 'cheap labour' is really just a synonym for wage slavery in many senses.
Definately, the majority want it stopped, as seen in the EU poll. Another thing that the wealthy global elite don't want, Brexit!!
hi mate, i don't find differing opinions offensive. so you haven't offended me.
In my post, I am not blaming UK for what it did, and not asking people to come and settle in the UK and destroy its social fabric. All I was trying to say was that people travel to different places to seek work and decent standard of living. Britain conquered other countries for prosperity, and people from other parts of the world are moving to the UK for prosperity without any intention of conquering it.
Child grooming is done by white folks, black folks, brown folks christians, muslims. Most high profile child sex abusers are white. Go to notable offenders section of this link and tell me how many muslims are there. and by saying this, i don't mean that if a culprit is a muslim, he shouldn't be punished -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_in_the_United_Kingdom#Notable_offenders
Diversity may sound like a buzz word used by hypocritical liberals to you, and it may be. I also feel the word is abused quite a lot. Most employers harp about diversity, but boardrooms are all while and all male. so yeah diversity is an abused buzzword but that does not mean, diversity doesn't have benefits and can't be balanced. I am sure, you don't eat british food 3 times a day 365 days a week. You probably do enjoy a chinese takeaway once in a while or italian food or french food or for that matter a shawarma.
man, sorry if your brother had to move out because of religious maniacs. I am with you, that's a bit much and the govt should do something to maintain peace in every pocket of britain and not let the pendulum swing too much either way.
and cheap labour is necessary my friend. call it cheap labour or unskilled labour. labor abuse happens across the globe, its just that in the uk labor abuse is public sector employees who haven't seen wage growth and in poor countries its kids working at menial wages. and that has all to do with greedy part of capitalism. You won't be able to avoid a race to the bottom whether the employee is white or brown or black.
Child grooming is not committed by gangs of "white folks" or "black folks" as you called them, in gangs using religious ideology to justify it. Many of those communities stayed silent as it happened. Girls were passed between communities and family groups.
The argument you use is called whataboutery. It's not valid in itself, to point to other groups and say "so, they do it also!* And even if it was you would have to find groups that are comparable.
We don't have religious rape gangs from any other religion I'm afraid, you are plain wrong.
The closest thing is the catholic church who covered up paedophile priests. But they didn't operate in gangs that are often familial.
These type of gangs can't survive in traditional working class communities as they are not tolerated. Islam does because it's written in their ideology.
Black, white, christian, sihk, hindu, buddhists, you name them and they are all horrified and complaining about this. Not just the white folks!
It's rather dissingenuous to point to high profile paedophiles and hold them up as an example of the prevalence of rape gangs of the same type. Islam is 6% of our population, yet 25% of our prison population is now rape gang related. There are no other rape gangs and that comment shows your ignorance. Yes there are all manner of disgusting people in this country of all persuasions but none of them are forming into gangs to rape children because of things they hear in their local religious centres!!
To just attempt to glibly explain them away in the manner you are shows no empathy or compassion for the thousands of girls who have been abused, some only 11. Some branded with M for muhammad. I suggest you research it properly, it will affect everyone eventually. Do you think working class children somehow deserve this? Your talk of cheap labour shows a lack of awareness of the plight of the working classes?
I suggest you read the* Quran and hadiths.*
Cheap labour is not required in a just society. Nor is blaming those in the present of "crimes" of ancestors. That thinking is how feuds are created and continued through time.
Thank you for the interesting comments. I am going to leave it here as we arent going to change each other's opinion.
I think that's a good idea and often the best way forward. i would invite you to study the subject of Islamic fundamentalism and the extremists it drives.
It was still an interesting conversation and I've learned a lot, so thanks for that and have a great day.
you as well. hope you had a good long weekend!
I did,Thank you. here's a video that may help you get up to speed. from a different speaker.
And, i eat only British produce, it's not hard. I'm patriotic I'm afraid and support my own community first.
From what I have seen, he was not saying anything at all outside of the court - he was just filming. He may have said something on his live stream, I don't know.
It is certainly true that we don't have the full story, but that is partially because the courts have prevented it and they do themselves no favours by doing so.
Thankyou for your kind words.