RE: The cost of being an abuser on Steem
malicious/retaliation downvotes
I have a few of those. This was the reason I wanted to see an auto comment on down votes. Right now you can only down vote bad actors if they post or comment. With an auto down vote comment, you now have a method to down vote the down voter. The community on steem block chain can do absolutely nothing about the camillesteemer bot army other than to keep petitioning @steem to remove their delegation.
At least with these two they do have current comments and post for now that can be down voted. Steem Block Chain needs to closely look at being able to counter the "malicious/retaliation downvotes". For now it has not gotten to bad, but it can, and Steem Block Chain needs to be prepared for when it does happen.
An auto downvote comment is the only method for the community to control this type of action. Then the community can decide if the down vote was justified. Oh and they should use the phishy red text to highlight the comment and make it very visible, and also to keep it visible even when it has been down voted, (not greyed out/hidden), so that other visitors to the page can clearly see and choose if they want to down vote pile on the bad actor.
I think instead we just need to scrape the reputation score altogether, especially after the bid bot era it holds even less value than it would've have originally done. Probably simplest solution and then look for other ones on communities or a possible SMT backed rep score.
That still does nothing to allow the community to assist in controlling the bad actors, which it seems is what that part of EIP and Down votes were intended to do.
I know people seem to not care about the camille army of silent down voters, after all even after 9 months the most they can down vote is $0.010.
Now what are the larger accounts going to do when they have a silent twin pair down voting with 180,000SP and 198,000SP, and there is nothing you can do other than black list them, which wont work because once they become silent down voters, there is nothing that can be done, unless steem block chain becomes just like facebook and youtube and allow for the blanket censorship of individual via shadow banning them on all front ends.
There really is nothing wrong with the REP score now, it is much harder for people to buy a reputation, and it does provide some retaliatory down vote protection, and as the use of of the up and down votes are sorted out the Reputation score value will recover some.
Bad actors/pissed off people, angry at the perceived man, unable to accept responsibility for their action, people are going to find a way to retaliate, and retaliate they will.
Currently the only individuals that can effect their Reputation scores, that can lower their reputation are those that have a higher than 72 REP in one case and 77 REP in the other. There are only a few active accounts above that 77 REP range that actually up and down vote post, most are just curation account voters who care little for the down vote side of things.
Yes, but I'm saying it's been too long of a period of vote-trading and buying that the majority of reputation of users is not based on actual genuine curation for it to matter anymore. It would just be way better to reset or strike it altogether now before the masses start coming in. Your solutions to the problems seem to be with the reputation existing in mind hence I want to point out that removing it completely would be way better. I doubt there's many curators or curation projects that are relying on the reputation score to curate, if they do it's also wrong as it should be about the content mainly and then about the users, their actual reputation on the chain and what they do for Steem etc on the side.
It's the same problem with Haejin, he's not commenting anymore nor posting so we can't bring down his reputation nor is there another account except for steemsports I think that has a higher rep to affect it properly and the cost is immense to bring it down even with the free downvotes it will take ages.
It is a problem, no doubt about that. A total removal, and the ability of small accounts to effect larger accounts is going to be a very hard sell, I can see where doing away with it would be a good thing, Perhaps we as a community need to come together and decide if there really needs to be a Social Credit Score type thing for the steem block chain. No SCS could be a selling point to many that do not favor the appearance of one person is better than another based on a superficial scoring system.
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No, please don't take rep away; it is one of the few motivations aside of pure greed...
But it goes up based on upvotes received, if there were other factors I could see it have value but it's only from that and a bit dependent on the reps of users voting (I think). I'm hoping there will be other factors (think the curation league of @abh12345) that would affect the reputation score, so I'm hopeful there will be better solutions to an improved on in the near future. steem-ua was on the right track but not great either and they pretty much abandoned the project from the looks of it, or at least it's development.