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RE: When currency and hypocrisy coincide

in #palnet6 years ago

Nobody likes people saying mean or hurtful things, but the question is this: do we damage ourselves by silencing hateful or hurtful speech. One of the freedoms that is quickly eroding away is our ability to speak, if it's deemed "hateful".

The silencing starts with speech that all decent people would consider harmful, but eventually the silencing will begin to affect speech that was once considered normal - like having a baby and saying "it's a girl!". The path we're on will eventually turn that statement "it's a girl" into forbidden hate speech, since (it will be said) the baby should determine their own gender instead of it being "assigned".

Good intentions will be our eventual downfall. If we make up our own good/evil paradigm which evolves over time, civiization will collapse. The only reason our culture has survived and thrived for so long is by adopting a strong structural absolute moral framework to offset the soft relative morality decay which is inevitable within every culture.

The foundation begins cracking once "hate" speech becomes forbidden. The principalities and powers and child indoctrinators can define "hate" however they desire and raise an entire generation to view light as darkness and bitter for sweet.

The only hate speech that is forbidden is blasphemy against the Most High, yet in our popular culture, that hate speech is welcomed and celebrated... praised as wonderfully irreverent.

We cry out to our Creator saying please save us from ourselves!!!

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I understand the notion of freedom of speech; however xenophobia in all it's forms becomes problematic with socio-economic issues. For instance Jews in Germany or even Japanese Americans during WWII. As humans we simply look to blame and can be swept into irrational hate and fervor. There is a fine line. I believe the creator doesn't want any 'hatred' directed towards the innocent. Who is innocent is the question; but is it open-ended?

It's our own personal responsibility to regulate our speech, not the responsibility of society or government or websites.

As long as we have freedom of speech, we will have xenophobia (irrational fear of foreigners). Limit the freedom of speech? We will still have xenophobia. Eliminate freedom of speech? We will still have xenophobia. Silencing hate speech will only deafen us to the zealous fervor of irrational hatred that exists in the world. Putting a rag in a hateful person's mouth will change nothing. They will simply speak with a knife or bomb instead.

Irrational and baseless hatred towards others is morally wrong - love your neighbor, love the foreigner, even love your enemy. However love is not the absence of hate. Hatred towards depravity or abominable or harmful behavior is a part of the very definition of love. Why would the Most High tell His people to repent, if He didn't HATE what they were doing?

Personal responsibility and human beings generally don't mix. That's why the sheeple look for leadership. Pipe dream IMO if you think that people can regulate themselves. Hate groups can regulate themselves and focus. General population cannot. I'm not advocating for government control of speech, but there should be a fine line with what you can say and what you cannot. Everyone has an opinion; silencing hatred is questionable if it has the potential to create havok and more hatred.

If you were a Jew in Germany and hate speech was rampant what would you advocate to do? Sit back and let that freedom go rampant? Well it did go rampant and turned into a bloody genocide. I hear a lot about not restricting hate speech.. so what's the answer? People cannot self regulate. - with that being said yah Germany was National Socialists, but hatred can also turn into just that!

"Hate groups can regulate themselves and focus. General population cannot.".

If the general population were completely regulated, what's to stop the general population from becoming a hate group entirely? Like what happened in Nazi Germany. There was no debate between blonde haired Aryans and German Jews. Any voice that critiziced the Nazi party was silenced.

"If you were a Jew in Germany and hate speech was rampant what would you advocate to do? Sit back and let that freedom go rampant?"

Freedom of speech did not cause genocide in Nazi Germany, but censorship took away the voices of those who oppose the state. Once that was gone, there was nothing to stop what they called the "final solution."

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"If the general population were completely regulated, what's to stop the general population from becoming a hate group entirely?"

This is exactly my point. If hate speech runs rampant, what's to stop the general population from becoming a hate group entirely?

I'm not saying freedom of speech caused the genocide. I'm saying hate speech that ran rampant is what led to those policies being enacted. The Nazi's were elected into power using their freedom of speech. Once in control they then enacted their own controls.

Regulated speech would never have prevented the Nazis to be elected. Regulated speech is what Germany was doing which allowed the Nazis to get into power. They forbid anyone to speak against the State, so the strongest state supporting party (The National Socialist German Workers Party) came to power.

The same will happen here in the US, except instead of "nationalism", it'll be the environment, or gender equality, or whatever. We already see topics today which if we criticise, we can be silenced for "hate speech".

Either way, speech restrictions (forbidding hate speech to run rampent) is what allows evil philosophies to gain power, always with the best of intentions. All we have to do to allow the fourth Reich to rise, is draw a line on permitted speech. Then the dictators will gain the foothold they need to eventually obtain absolute authority over us - for the greater good, of course.

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I agree with the whole transgender male
female binary garbage and not being silenced if you have an opposing view. I'm trying to weigh my own personal history as a Jew and seeing all these conspiracy theories of 'zionists' controlling the world and banking system. Always targeted for 1000s of years and it starts with the proliferation of false history and speech.

Freedom of speech is the road to individuality and freedom, but hate speech also leads the road towards tyranny when things 'go wrong'.

I don't think it's right to go around and saying people should die or be killed based upon false proliferated speech / propoganda. So what's the answer? I already stated people en mass have shown no self control.

Who is going determine that fine line between what you can say and what you cannot?

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Ha! Probably some universal ideals and guidelines for humanity; ones most people already know but choose to ignore. The eternal question you ask me? I believe there needs to be some enforcement on hate speak. The level of it is questionable as we don't want to stifle freedom of speech. I think I would draw the line when I'm openly pointing to minority groups and calling for their destruction. It's evident that if it is a tyrannical side you are already dealing with; communicative open discussion is already over and the 'hatred' has already spawned into open violence. Yes let the haters say what they want, does it mean I ignore and leave un-monitored? One thing I have learned; destructive rhetoric left to froth and boil always turns into hatred which is sometimes blind.