It came out a bit hyperbolic, I'm new to these discussions and it will surly show. I agree that how you put it sounds better. Learning the tools (less violent analogy yes?) of the argument are very key. I'd say some that are on the positive side are to point to scientific research results or to use historical rebuttals and the bluffs or negatives are straw man arguments and ad homonym attacks but the list goes on. This is the discussion I've been looking for and I really appreciate your time and engagement, please let me know if I'm on the right track with it.