RE: The Lie of Jesus Christ and how his real name was Yeshua HaMashiach
I totally agree that the worship of Jesus is wrong. No where in the New Testament does he ask for worship, but he defers any worship and honor to his Father. With that said though, there are a couple of things here I don't think are accurate...
- You mention "the church", but I think you're referring to the established order of the Christian church. This doesn't really make any sense since Christianity didn't exist as an established religion until around 325AD (give or take depending on how you would classify the beginning).
- The "church" that existed at the time of Jesus' life, the one with which he identified since he was a teacher within it, was Judaism. Jesus was a Jew.
- The very name Yeshua is simply the Hebrew version of the more modern, Latin, Jesus.
- What you identify as Yeshua's last name, HaMashiach, isn't a last name at all, it's an honorific or a label. Its literal translation from Hebrew is "the messiah". To the best of my knowledge, the Jewish people didn't use family names back then. If Yeshua did have a "full name" it would have something more like "Yeshua ben Yosef" which would be translated to "Yeshua/Jesus, son of Yosef/Joseph".
I do believe the church has led people far, far astray from what Yeshua was trying to express. It doesn't take a very deep study to see that. However, when you do get into a deep study, it turns out there is much more mysticism in the New Testament than pretty much anyone realizes. If you've ever done study on Jewish Kabbalah, go back and check out the books attributed to John. There are so many things scattered throughout those books that just start shouting a different narrative than what people were raised to understand.
Keep searching, talking and questioning. I believe a large part of the life we have was made specifically for our pursuit of HaShem.
From John 20:24-29
I do have a bunch of other New Testament references that illustrate what I'm saying, and I don't think I have a compiled list of all the things I've found anywhere. Some of them need a bit of explaining Jewish culture at the time to grasp so I'll skip them for now. I also have a bunch of Old Testament references that illustrate why it doesn't make sense that the G-d of the Jews would actually become a man.
I don't disagree with any of those verses (obviously). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One God in three persons.
John 14:8-10
And just before Jesus ascended to heaven, he gave his disciples this Great Commission: (Matthew 28:16-20)
hmm. I have read that free masons and other esoteric orders have studied the old testament as mysticism.....I do not believe everything written in the bible is completely matter of fact..but rather metaphors and things of this like.
The best thing to do is throw out all such esoteric orders and just master the original inspired Scriptures.
yes, jesus proved to him that he was god.....as everything is god. Those who deny the truth of this deny the truth of god. it is simple.
That would be pantheism. There is a strong distinction between the Creator and His creation. Heaven and earth will pass away. God won't.
Who Jesus (aka, The Word) is John 1:1-14
Jesus was prophesied many hundreds of years in advance. From ~700 BC the Jewish Prophet Isaiah wrote: (Isaiah 9:6-7)
There were Christian churches before the Apostle Paul even did his first missionary journey: this from roughly 0040 AD:
Christians were persecuted from the stoning of Stephen in ~0035 AD until Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire in the early 300's. But there were many famous Christians prior to that. For example:
Clement of Rome The epistle known as 1 Clement (c. 96) is attributed to this early bishop of Rome. It was widely read in the churches and is considered the earliest Christian epistle outside the New Testament. Tradition identifies Clement as the fourth pope.
Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35-110) was the third bishop of Antioch and a student of the Apostle John. En route to his martyrdom in Rome, Ignatius wrote a series of letters to various churches, and these have been preserved as an example of the theology of the earliest Christians. Important topics addressed in these letters include ecclesiology, the sacraments, and the central role of bishops in authorized orthodox teaching.
Polycarp (c. 69-c. 156) was the bishop of Smyrna (now İzmir in Turkey). In 155, the Smyrnans demanded Polycarp's execution as a Christian, and he died a martyr. He was also an important figure in the controversy over the date on which Christians celebrate Easter.
Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-211/216), was a distinguished teacher in the city which became one of early Christianity's most important intellectual centers. He united Greek philosophical traditions with Christian doctrine and thus developed what later became known as Christian Platonism.
Origen (c. 185 - c. 254) also taught in Alexandria, reviving the catechetical school where Clement had taught. He interpreted scripture allegorically and further developed the tradition of Christian Platonism. Origen taught a doctrine of universal salvation in which even demons would eventually be reunited with God. Although some of his views were declared anathema in the sixth century by the Fifth Ecumenical Council,[2] Origen's thought exercised significant influence.
Irenaeus of Lyons (d. near the end of the third century) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. A disciple of Polycarp, his best-known book, Against Heresies (c. 180), enumerated heresies and attacked them. Irenaeus wrote that the only way for [Christian]s to retain unity was to humbly accept one doctrinal authority of orthodox bishops, with disputes resolved by episcopal councils. His work is a major source for understanding the heterodox movements of the second century and the orthodox churches' attitude in combating them.
Athanasius of Alexandria (c. 293-May 2, 373), also known as St. Athanasius the Great, was a theologian who later became the patriarch ("pope") of Alexandria, a leader of immense significance in the theological battles of the fourth century. He is best remembered for his role in the conflict with Arianism, although his influence covers a vast array of theological topics.
Tertullian Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus (c. 160-c. 225) was a prolific writer of apologetic, theological, anti-heretical, and ascetic works. He is believed to have introduced the Latin term "trinitas" (Trinity) to the Christian vocabulary and also the formula "three persons, one substance"—tres personae, una substantia. Later in life, Tertullian joined the Montanists, a heretical sect, but his writings by and large are considered as a shining example of orthodoxy.
Cyprian (died September 14, 258) was bishop of Carthage and an important early Christian writer who eventually died a martyr at Carthage. He is particularly important in defining the Christian church as "Catholic," meaning "universal," and his insistence that there can be no salvation outside of the Christian church.
You conveniently skipped the fact that he was exiled by Constantine and that on his deathbed, Constantine requested baptism be performed by Eusebius who was an outspoken supporter of Arianism, even so far as to being part of Arius' defense at Nicea.
Oh yes. The errors introduced in Christianity start piling up even faster with Constantine and it gets worse century by century until the Reformation of the 1500's made the effort to get back to Biblical Christianity. But even today, even in this thread, you can see people trying to get all the facts from Scripture into their heads to gain a correct understanding.
I don't fault anyone for quoting scriptures and comparing notes with others doing that same thing. I do fault those who make stuff up that is not in the Scriptures. No wonder the average person is so confused.
My only point in listing these example Church Fathers is to demonstrate that the Church emphatically did not start with Constantine. He merely made it the official religion of Rome for the first time. That was nice for those who had been persecuted by Rome the preceding 300 years, but then the corruption begins as the power of the state begins to attract the wrong kind of church leaders - those seeking power and wealth, not truth.
What I meant by "The church" was the established order that hung him on the cross....I agree with the last name though. good point. Thanks for the insight.
"The church" has a special meaning reserved for the generations of people after Jesus resurrection who believe that Jesus is the long awaited Jewish Messiah. Those who hung him on the cross are those who didn't recognize him when he showed up on schedule as prophesied 69*7=483 Jewish years earlier to the day in Daniel 9.
What is hashem?
Yeah the thing is it goes really deep. It does have alot to do with mysticism though and I'd kind of like to get closer to the truth myself. I'm not one who likes research too much, it's my weakness since im so impatient...even with this article...some of the things I am saying are not facts and I should have posed them as questions or something. I kind of rushed into it.
HaShem translates to "the name". It's sort of a nickname for G-d, like the word G-d itself, Jehovah and Adonai. The Jewish people believe HaShem has an actual name and it is hinted at in the "I AM" that people always talk about. Old Jewish customs had it that the high priest was only allowed to speak it once a year during a certain festival but because of the sacredness of it and all the struggles throughout Jewish history, the knowledge of the correct pronunciation has been lost. Basically these "nicknames" are used because Jews are so worried about using His name in vain that they go to extra lengths to make SURE they don't use His name inappropriately.
Don't worry, I've been quick on the Post trigger finger myself.