Line in the Sand

in #resistance8 years ago

Most people still take pride in being “law-abiding taxpayers.” It still gives them a warm, fuzzy feeling to know that they “play by the rules,” in spite of the fact that “the rules”—as made up by so-called “law-makers”—have gotten continually more unjust, arbitrary, idiotic, and sometimes downright evil. Most of those who have been trained to respect and obey “authority” quickly get uncomfortable at the idea that they should pick and choose which “rules” to follow, and which “laws” should be broken, maybe even resisted. Most people don’t like to think about the fact that, throughout history, those who “played by the rules” were the ones who funded, created, and carried out mass injustice, oppression and murder. Pick any tyranny in history and ask yourself, were the “rule-breakers” the problem? No. The rule-makers and the rule-enforcers—those who claimed to act on behalf of “government” and “law”—have always been the biggest oppressors, thieves and murderers. Meanwhile, those who have resisted authoritarian injustice have always been labelled rule-breakers, criminals and terrorists.

So no, doing as you’re told, playing by the rules, and following the law, is usually not the way to be a good human being. Usually it is the way to enrich and empower the most evil people on Earth. Does that mean that I think that everyone should run off and ignore the “rules” against theft and murder, for example? Of course not. But the truth is, the arbitrary dictates that a bunch of politicians have declared to be “the law” are absolutely irrelevant to whether something is good or bad. Morality doesn’t change just because politicians did some “legislative” ritual. People should always strive to do what is right, whether or not it is “legal.”

People have no trouble agreeing with this when they are considering other times or other places. We all recognize that “laws” in favor of slavery, for example, or many of the “laws” which were enacted and enforced in North Korea, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, were illegitimate and immoral, and that it was good when people disobeyed and resisted such “laws.” Indeed, every July 4th many millions of American celebrate a large-scale illegal and seditious uprising by a bunch of “lawless,” “criminal” tax evaders and cop-killers. But few dare to apply the same standards and principles to the present.

Which brings us to the part that makes most “law-abiding taxpayers” very uncomfortable. Where is your “line in the sand”? How patently unjust do “the rules” have to be before you would feel right disobeying them? At what point, if any, would you even forcibly resist an oppression being done in the name of “law”? We all know—whether we like to think about it or not—that every “law” is a threat of violence from “government”: they are commanding you to behave a certain way, with the promise that if they catch you disobeying, they will send men with guns (“law enforcers”) to punish you. The ruling class doesn’t take kindly to those who don’t blindly obey their every whim.

With that in mind, do you have a “line in the sand”? Is there any point at which you would disobey and resist the “rules” made up by power-happy politicians? Yes, in some cases you may choose to obey out of self-preservation, just to avoid trouble for yourself. But there is a difference between that and feeling a moral duty to do whatever those who wear the label of “government” tell you to do. When would you choose to be the rebel, the “criminal,” the “terrorist,” by not bowing to the ruling class? Whether you like it or not—whether you are comfortable thinking about it or not—in the end there are really only two positions you can have:

1 - “Any injustice that is done in the name of law and authority, I will go along with. And I will not merely cooperate with it; I will fund it with my hard-earned money. I will not only allow, but will empower and enable those who wield political power to do absolutely anything they want, to myself, to my family, to my neighbors, to countless innocent strangers, without me lifting a finger to stop them. I am a proud, law-abiding taxpayer, and I will continue to set aside my own judgment and conscience in favor of blind, unquestioning obedience to my political masters."

2 - “At some point I will draw a line in the sand, a point beyond which I will not obey. At some point I will not cooperate with tyranny, I will refuse to finance injustice being inflicted upon my fellow man. And I will do this, knowing full well that the ruling class will send men with guns after me if they find out that I am not following their dictates. But I will disobey and resist nonetheless because I am a moral human being, and because I care about doing the right thing more than I care about having the approval of authority.”

Pick one. And if it’s the latter, you might want to decide now where your “line in the sand” will be.

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Simplistic. Either 1 or 2. Got it. And 'government' is a them, not representatives that I help choose. Ok.

P.S. Yes I am aware of how many downvotes my comment will get. But I assume you're posting to engage the 'statists', right?

No, you don't help choose your rulers. And no, they aren't your "representatives." Does someone who represents you have the right to do things that you don't? Does YOUR representative have the right to boss you around and demand money from you, under the threat of caging you if you don't comply? And yes, sometimes it IS either 1 or 2. Either you will NEVER resist aggression done in the name of "law," or at SOME point you would resist aggression done in the name of "law." If you can describe a third option, I will be very impressed.

I'm not sure. Give me an example of a right that my representative has that I do not have. I can't think of one, I think they live under the same laws that I live under.

Maybe I am missing something on your 'boss around' comment. Does that mean something other than the 'uphold the laws' thing that's gotten such traction?

And as far as your 1 and 2 go they sound a lot like the old 'do you still beat your wife' question.

  1. See, you've been trained to view the bossing around as "law enforcement," and trained to imagine that to be inherently legitimate and righteous, because of documents and rituals. It's not. The ruling class proclaims literally THOUSANDS of things you may not do, things you must do, amounts of money you must give them, or they send men with guns to hurt you. If you tried to do the same to them, they would kill you.

  2. I'm still waiting for an option OTHER than: a) you would never resist, or; b) at some point you would resist.

I appreciate that differing views are not being met with anything other than honest debate. There is no ruling class (I am in the U.S.). Each of us have one vote. I don't agree with all of the laws. I try to follow them anyway. But again I disagree with your a/b question's validity. You're making us all into frogs in a pot of cold water and asking us at what temperature we'd be too uncomfortable to continue. You are equating resistance with being anti-government as opposed to being a part of it. I resist right now - I resist Trump with my vote and my voice and reason. I resist laws with which I disagree with my vote and my voice and reason. And I am doing it from within.

Of course, one could always leave if you really need a C for your A and B.

jsteck objects to one-or-the-other propositions, then, more or less, says 'love it or leave it'. Well done!

You might be voting to "legalize it", but can you actually do it yourself?

  • That was the whole point with Larkens question, "Does someone who represents you have the right to do things that you don't?"
    Can you legally do that as well, or is it only a privilege reserved for your "representatives"?

@jsteck what is it that gives you the right to give someone else permission to kidnapp someone for smoking a plant?

Jsteck, your "representatives" can exercise rights that you nor any individual has. Due to the belief in the myth of authority they can make rules without even the aproval of those that voted for them, let alone the consent of each individual it affects. And to make this worse these rules can be made regarding actions that cause no harm to others. Enforcement of which does cause harm through violence or threat thereof, and which is funded by theft, under threat of violence. By accepting and more so, by advocating this system by voting and willingly paying taxes, you fall under the category of amoral people that would have their will or that of their chosen masters forced upon other peaceful people. And as for the Muh Roads argument.... Private businesses actually build roads, and without govt extortion depleting the funds of all citizens, could be funded through VOLUNTARY contribution.

I vote for legalize it. But nice choice of words.

I cannot and neither can my representatives. The question was about rights that my representatives have that I do not.

Can you tax people and put them in a cage if they do not oblige?

@jsteck Why do people that don't understand anarchism always think we'll have dirt roads, no buildings, and no infrastructure? PEOPLE build things, not governments, and when you see roads today, they are built by the people funded by the money stolen from THE PEOPLE. Without Government roads would be built same as today, the difference being it would be built by a free market, voluntarily, and without theft.

I can choose to vote for or against laws that require taxation, same as my representatives. I can also drive on the roads that my taxes built. I've never been able to figure out how anarchists get around.

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences.” FBI Director James Comey, while discussing the charges dropped against Hillary Clinton.

If you want to do some great you

  1. should not do by law
  2. should not do anti law
    you should find a way where is no law at all, a way of totally freedom, way of the first man.

Yes, when you choose a representative he acts on your behalf. If you hire a lawyer to argue a speeding ticket, for instance, and he accepts a fine then you are beholden to his decision. That's how representatives work.

The "third option" you ask for is trial, up to the Supreme Court to determine if the law was constitutional or not.

Again, it was "No taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION."

If you cannot rob your neighbor or extort money from them, you don't have that right, tell me exactly how can you possibly have "your representatives" have extort money from them and call it tax?

If you cannot write some words on magic paper, and force your neighbor to obey, and if he doesn't, cage him or kill him, yourself, without any third party, because you don't have such rights, naturally, tell me how "your representatives", have such a right to "legislate" on your behalf?

And your rights don't come from a magic peace of paper, that you call "constitution". Your rights come from nature, by birth. Just like we did not make laws of physics and mathematics, (like gravity or speed of light etc) we did not make natural law regarding human interactions either. We rather, discover them. And live according to them.

The only natural law is survival of the fittest. Society is humans' species specific adaptation which made us the fittest. Government is what society has created to protect the weaker members of society.

The elected representatives are vested with more power because people have granted it to them. This was done because that power is necessary for protecting people. There is no magic here, these are simple principles that, to date, have worked. The great thing about our government is that you have a voice in who has that power.

The problem with Anarchy is that it does nothing to protect the "weak." (Well, that and the fact that the type of person who seeks power will still do so, and most likely violently, without a government to protect the people... Meaning that a few days after you removed our representative government you'd have a nice military dictatorship.)

Survival of the fittest does not mean what you think it means. It means the species who fit the environment best who survives, in the context of evolution and a species becoming instinct. For example, in a post nuclear war scenario, cockroaches are better fit to survive in a nuclear winter than humans. It is not even about inra-species conflicts.

Intra-species lethal violence is practically non-existent even in non-human species.

Government is not "what society has created". And it does not "protect the weaker members". That simply is an illusion. The poorest %10 of the population in a free market country is better off than average person in a big government socialist or communist country.

"The elected representatives are vested with more power because people have granted it to them."

You cannot grant anyone else something you don't have. If you do not have the right to extort money out of your neighbour by threats of violence, with the lie that you will protect them in return (it is called extortion or protection racket if non-state organizations do it)

Please tell me, how well the state worked to protect their people, when the state turned against their own people, killed their own citizens in democides. 263 million people have been mass murdered by their own government in 20'th century alone. This dwarfs even how many people of other countries governments killed, in 2 world wars (around 100 million).

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

Please tell me, if governments protect the weak against the strong, who protects the weak from their own government?

There is very little difference between what you call "representative government" and "military dictatorship". Look at the democide list. They have all risen to power by democratic elections, in a representative democracy.

I had a completely voluntary trade today, where I bought some goods from a dude, and he delivered them.

  • No taxes, no regulations, nothing but freedom.

Always gives me some joy. <3

Then you must be one of those extremist fringe kooks! Just think how much better the world would be if you had let politicians steal a chunk of that, and use it to buy bullets to rain down on civilians on the other side of the world! Isn't that how good people "give back to society"? (This comment is partly a test to see how many Steemit users grasp sarcasm.)

Yes, that sounds like me!

  • Why am I being such a dick, not wanting to support our masters!? It makes little to no sense at all, if you ask them!

Steemit sarcasm test?
Interesting idea!

That goes perfect with our "We're going to free the shit out of you!"

Oh the anarchy!!!

We all died, from the unregulated pot I bought. Must have government!

  • *Twas good fucking pot though.

Hey, Larken, forgive the off-topic, but I'm curious how the Mirror is coming. A lot of Steemians may not be familiar with it, and if you post about it you may be able to make some decent funding to put towards expediting its completion. :D

Yeah, I should do a post on Steemit about it, for all those who haven't heard of it. To answer your question, it's going very well. However, it seems the more I create for it, the more new stuff I think of to add to it. So the "finish line" keeps running away from me. Anyway, it will still be many months at least before it's finished.

As a software developer, I understand your position. Just remember that nothing is perfect at version 1. The best new apps tend to really suck on version 1, but people use them anyways because they solve a problem. And over time, they get better. Release early, release often. :)

Yeah, I kinda want to know more about The Mirror as well. :D

Yes id love to know how its coming along too
Eagerly awaited

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I disobey the edicts every day. - Well, except, I don't hurt other people in the process.

  • It's great to have you on, @larkenrose, I can finaly stop feeling guilty of beeing too broke to throw money your way, and just upvote the shit out of your posts. >.<

Nice post, I appreciate the polarizing arguments to evidence something. I agree with the line we draw, but you show it a little like black and white, in reality we are grey.
Morality is such flexible concept, everything depends on the values of the person, society and context. Plus we have to acknowledge the role of the ego and desires in the decisition making creating bends and different interpretations of what we think morals are.
:)

@larkenrose, great post!
@jeeves, mind if giving me some related posts just like this one?

Feels like I voted yes on a bait post for an IRS audit

No way... is this THE LARKEN ROSE? If so it is a grand day.

I am glad as it is... I posted the following a few weeks ago saying it was one the single greatest speeches I think I have heard.

https://steemit.com/anarchism/@dwinblood/anarchy-awesome-speech-by-larken-rose-response-to-the-noam-chomsky-video-posted-a-bit-ago

I had in my notes that at some point I wanted to share this video of yours... now that you are here, I'll leave that to you and just be one who follows what you post.

I'll go into this in greater detail in my own post, but this is very poignant when it comes to the enforcers of law and policy: police and service members. In both of those fields, it's drilled into you constantly that you have very little free agency; you are there to follow orders, uphold the rules, and not question what you're doing. I've met a lot of guys in my time in the Army who were perfectly fine with that, despite their loud and vociferous objections to the current President of the United States. I wasn't, and that's why I'm not in it anymore. Eventually, you have to draw a line in the sand, and in the military, that means getting out, because staying in means you're going to have to compromise your ethics.