Marathon Post #5 #runforsteem

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šŸŗ Decisions, decisions, decisions! šŸŗ

A lot of the decisions I/we had to make depended on the outcome of the referendum I posted about yesterday. If my wife would be out of a job again, then we would face another period of uncertainty and having to rely on one income. So making certain decisions with regards to my marathon-challenge were pending the outcome of this referendum:

  • When is the earliest I want/can do a marathon, depending on how often and intensive Iā€™ll train? Also taking into consideration Iā€™ve never done one in my life and remembering what happened to the first person who ran to Marathon
  • Which marathons take time around that time of year or should I wait until 2019?
  • Where will I run? If my wife is out of a job, I canā€™t go flying off to the other side of the world
  • Will she get off from work?

Well, I can now announce that I have a where, a when and if all remains as it is also with the support of my family:


šŸŗ VALENCIA ā€“ 2nd December 2018 šŸŗ




Bildschirmfoto 2018-03-07 um 19.02.10.pngValencia, here I come!!!

It would be cool if I met some of you there as well!

As I mentioned in my previous Marathon Post, my colleague and training partner is also coming along (he still has to register), so Iā€™ll have someone whoā€™ll be by my side all the way to the finishing line. He has attempted to do a marathon before, but failed during the run. So we also have the same goal, to reach the finish line and if we do that in a reasonable time, even better.

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I look forward to hearing your suggestions.

šŸŗ Marathon Preparation šŸŗ

I was given the below schedule by @apprentice (https://steemit.com/health/@apprentice/my-marathon-training-plan). It is aimed to slowly ease you into marathon training and based on a plan from Hal Higgon. Unfortunately I believe he has given up on Steemit as he hasnā€™t posted or responded in ages. So I donā€™t have many opportunities to ask him any questions. So Iā€™d really like to hear from the community over here what you think of this schedule:

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Schedule 1: This part is to ease you into marathon-training

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Schedule 2: This is the actual marathon-training

I am currently in the mode to train on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. So easing myself from ā€˜Schedule 1ā€™ into ā€˜Schedule 2ā€™. On the weekdays Iā€™m doing 5km and on Sunday 11km. I want to maintain this rhythm until May (when I return from a 10 day holiday) and then I really want to pick up the pace and really start with ā€˜Schedule 2ā€™, unless someone here has better advice for me.

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Schedule 3: This is what my actual training will look like broadly speaking, but I'm going to give myself much more time to get used to the distances

The plan as it stands is to ease myself into ā€˜Schedule 2ā€™, but work ahead of it and build up into those longer distances. Iā€™m approaching 40 years, so I want to utilise the additional time by ensuring that I prepare myself as much as I can and to the best of my abilities, but also without risking any injuries. So rather slow and steady then rushed and getting injured towards the end.

Iā€™m especially anxious to hear from those of you who have marathon experience and also the running coaches that are here @runningdanw & @cstrimel. What do you make of this schedule and can you advice anything else I should be mindful of?

For example one thing that I advised my running partner is that our shoes tend to last about 800/900 kilometres and heā€™s just bought new shoes. This could mean that he might need new shoes just around the time that weā€™re going to be running in Valencia. I think that no one wants to run a marathon on new shoes, so I told him about this to be wary of that and maybe buy some shoes in the summer that he can then run in, so that theyā€™re nice and worn when weā€™re going to be running the marathon.

šŸŗ Training šŸŗ

In the mean time, I have not been sitting still and I wonā€™t be sitting still either. The fact that itā€™s booked now, means that the clock is ticking and I want to use every opportunity that I have to prepare myself as much as possible.

Since my last running update on Friday Iā€™ve done another 3 runs, totalling 21 kilometres.

Sunday 4.3.

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Some shots of Sundays' run

It had been snowing since Thursday and despite my hopes it hadnā€™t melted. This is the most Iā€™ve ran in snow all winter. The temperature was already better than during last week and we even had a blue sky a few times during our run. The snow and me not being 100% really held us back so doing the 11 kilometres in 1 hour and 7 minutes was acceptable under the circumstances.

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Training Effect was 4,6 at least 60% of the track was covered in 10cm of snow

Tuesday 6.3.

The snow was gone and my colleague and I set off for another lunchtime run. Circumstances were pleasant and we had a nice pace (when weā€™re together, we talk a lot, so itā€™s always slower than running alone as talking takes some of your breath away) , we did the 5 kilometres in 27 minutes.

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Training Effect was 'only' 3,3

Wednesday 7.3.

My colleague couldnā€™t join me today as he had a few meetings to attend before and after our lunch break, so I could run on my own again. I did the 5 kilometres in 25,5 minutes. The weather is also turning to be more pleasant again. Soon I can take my thermo-clothes off again.

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Training Effect was 3,5 today

My last 3 runs in comparison. You can see that my 'local' run is much harder and conditions were also worse than they have been the past 2 days.

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Doron

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wow, you machine.
Happy to have you on board and motivate us

I wish I was ... I'm afraid if I drop a bal and do that too much I'll have difficulty picking it up again. Generally speaking I'm a lazy person and I like the good things in life, so I have to balance it out with regular exercises. I used to run 3 times a week, however this is what I was adviced to do for my marathon preparations.

I know those feels lol. Sometimes it would be best to tag my goals to my forehead in order to stay disciplined.

Preferably have a personal coach 24/7, how fit would I be then and how healthy ... if only I were a superstar šŸ˜‰

today I did my run and thought of this group to be a personal trainer.

I like that thought. Together we're stronger and achieve everything we put our mind to

Good luck i'ts the training that is the really hard work. I have done one and it was a lot of fun. Well worth the effort.

Thanks, I'm also looking forward to it. Which one did you do? Do you still have your training plan so that I can compare?

I did the Disney World Marathon about ten years ago. I don't have the program anymore but the base to start the program was four runs of 8 miles each every week. One day was a long run which I added two miles a week to the run. The longest run I did was 20 miles. I didn"t do any speed work. I have trained a couple of times for other marathons but have had a few hamstring injuries. It was fun to do and worth it.

Sounds more extreme than what I'm currently doing. I'm starting with 3 runs of about 3 miles and on Sundays I run about 8 miles and this is something I'm going to improve on over the next months.

I have read that the most important thing is the long run. Seems like that's what you need to do to be able to complete the distance. On the day its exciting with lots of people around so that really helps you get to the finish line.

Yeah, I look forward to it.

Are you aware of the @runningproject?

I'll check it out thanks.

Fully agree with @cstrimel , Quality workouts are very useful... once a week , maybe on thursdays according to the plan, I would replace the short run by introducing some quality there, 4 km in total of intervals between 400m to 1000m in lenght at a pace a little bit faster than your planned marathon pace will give you more security and better conditions.
The volume seems correct.
Include in your long runs the intake of hydrates and salts, essentially gels and hydration drinks. You have to plan that aspect as well, it is essential in order to face the "wall" of the marathon, believe me...
On the 4th, If I were you, I would run a 10K race and on the 8th a half marathon. They will bring you a good prospective of the pace you have to follow during the marathon.
I am happy you choose Valencia, it is really a good marathon. Don't worry about the age, my best time in Marathon I did last year when I was 42 ;-)
Please, feel free to ask me any doubt...I think I have some experience in this field(LOL)

I'm a bit apprehensive to change the Thursdays as they're the longer of the 3 runs, but I get what you're saying. The point for me will be to finish it, the time is not that important to me. That's why I feel that if I train enough and get used to distances I should be able to do it, don't you think?

Yes, gels and salts are a good point, I heard that before especially if I run longer than an hour. My doctor mentioned the same. Do you have any good suggestions?

With 4th and 8th you mean training weeks? I was considering to do at least a half marathon in the 13th training week. I could do one in the 8th week as well as both Sunday runs are 21km.

Have you ran in Valencia before? With all due respect, but you're much fitter and thinner than I am, I have no doubt that you will set a good time each time you go for a challenge. If I finish below 5 hours, I'll be very happy. But I'm happy to pick your brain, I know I'm at the right address with you, thanks a lot!

VITARGO+ELECTROLYTES as an hidration before, during and after. https://www.amazon.es/20-Vitargo-Electrolyte-Sachet-C%C3%ADtrico/dp/B071JFKPF7/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1520534278&sr=8-5&keywords=vitargo+electrolyte&dpID=51mmx6i9GNL&preST=SY300_QL70&dpSrc=srch

I did not run in Valencia but I know a lot of people which run there... maybe one day, when my children get older ;-)
on 13th is fine, yes, but do not run so many...
Powergel : https://www.powerbar.eu/es_ES/productos/powergel-hydro

Why is the age of your kids holding you back? My family is coming with me and we're going to make a long weekend of it.

Thanks for those products, they seem exactly what I need.

Hahaha! Well, my children are 11 and 7 years old... My wife also works and I'm working and traveling a lot due to work... Believe me, I know what Marathon training means, even if you want just to be a finisher you have to stick to the plan...
Marathon is one of the best experiences you can ever live but also really a very demanding race man... You have to be really trained in order to ensure you will finish that distance.
Actually, with my current available time, I can manage to do good times in 5K, 10k and half... and frankly, I'm not feeling the need of running another marathon right now...
On Sunday this week there is Barcelona Marathon. There I have prepared 3 of my Running colleagues in order to break the 3 hours time...I will accompany them from the 30th to the end because I know how hard it will become after that point. One of them is 33' in 10k, he should be able to get 2h45' easily but, believe me when I tell you that he is the only one on which I have my doubts about breaking 3h time since he didn't follow the plan and volume.

The race time is not important, you have to be strict with yourself and stick to the plan.
Of course if you plan to finish at 5h time you don't need to do fast intervals workout but only volume in kms.
That's why I told you try to do a half marathon and see what you will be able to achieve comfortably šŸ˜œ

I never had the urge to do a marathon, but now that I'm into running and enjoying it so much it's something I'd like to do and achieve before I'm 40.

I think it will help a lot that I'll have a colleague with me all the way, not just every training (except weekends), but also there in Valencia. I have the feeling that once we're in the rhythm we'll forget he distance, did I mention he loves to talk?! It helps a lot as it distracts from the runs we do, if we both manage to stay in our routine and stick to our pace, I think we should be able to do it. We currently run 5,5min/km so that's something we could still improve, but it's not a priority for us.

That pace will allow you to go below 4 h man ;-), not bad target for starting on marathon.
Actually I see you can do 3h45', easily

That's the thing, I'm happy with my pace. If I can maintain that for 42 km, I'll be really happy, that's also why the focus on stamina.

When do you use the powerbar drink? You're saying the Vitargo during and after, what about the powerbar one then?

Look, Vitargo+electrolytes is the best option in my opinion but, you have to think and plan how to carry it while running.
If you don't have a solution maybe the best is to carry on with 4-5 gels with electrolytes (salts) and have 1 every 7 or 8 km taking advantage of the water stations that the organization used to arrange along the circuit.
The problem of the gels is that they used to be more difficult to swallow and, sometimes you don't have water with you.
Powergel (from the brand powerbar) is a mix of gel+liquid that makes the things easier...
You can always combine, the carrying of 1 bottle of vitargo + 3 powergels.
Logistics is important as well

Gotcha, so ideally the Vitargo, but that's heavier to carry. Alternative solution 4 or 5 PowerGels. I have to admit that is one of my worries, I like to runs as light as possible, so how to carry anything is a question I'm thinking about how to solve that. I discussed this with my colleague the other day and we'll find a solution between us. Thanks for the advice!

@wolfje I just saw that you have 999 followers so I message my friend, @autoenthusiast to follow you so you can have 1000 LOL :)

LOL, thanks! I saw he became #1000 really cool achievement. I'm glad to have met you, keep up the good work doc. You're an example to us all!

Everything sounds reasonable. The advice on shoes is right on. I usually would have two or three pairs that I trained in when doing marathons. My only advice is to just pay attention to your body and take days off when you know itā€™s what you need. Too often people show up to their first marathon totally exhausted, or worse, already injured. Iā€™m happy to follow along as you get into the meat of your plan. Donā€™t hesitate to ping me in your posts. One thought for now is that I really believe in speed work for distance runners. It helps with strength, flexibility, and motivation. Now and then, I would replace a 5k run with 6-8 400s with a 400 jog rest. 600s and 800s can feel good too.

Thanks for that advice, that really helps a lot.

I have slight difficulty understanding what you mean by '6-8 400s with a 400 jog rest. 600s and 800s can feel good too.' What are the 6-8 and what do you mean with 400/600/800?

6 to 8 repetitions of 400 meters with a 400 meter jog rest between each rep. What I meant by 600 or 800 is just that you can do longer distance reps too, depending on the goal of the workout. The shorter reps (400) are good for working toward a future goal race pace, but also just good for strength and flexibility as I said. As you move up to 600, 800, 1000 meter repeats they obviously get harder to maintain a pace that you havenā€™t built up to yet. As you do longer reps it becomes more about nailing down your current race pace. So, to be more concrete, hereā€™s a simple workout:
1 mile/1600m warmup

  1. 400 @ 2:00 (8:00/mile pace)(sorry, Iā€™m in the US so I donā€™t have meter paces down:) with a 400m jog rest.
  2. 400 @ 2:00, 400 jog
  3. 400 @ 2:00, 400 jog . . .
    Etc
    Or
  4. 400 @ 2:00, 400 jog
  5. 400 @ 1:55, 400 jog
  6. 400 @ 1:50, 400 jog
    Etc.
    the second one can be a good way to see what you can get down to. Just start slow and keep dropping five seconds per 400 until you canā€™t drop.
    Obviously paces are totally up to you and where youā€™re currently at.
    On that note, what kind of pace are you running? Do you have a time goal for the race?

I think I get it, I need to see if I can find an ideal stretch somewhere to do this and measure this.

I am currently on my own at approx. 5,15min per km on longer distances and 5 min per km on 5km runs. I think it's slower than what you're suggesting, but pace has never been a target for me. Stamina and actually finishing a marathon is a real achievement for me.

Do you reckon I should focus on stamina or pace? I want to focus on stamina, but you and @toofasteddie are both saying to work on time as well, which has never been a focus. For me to finish this is more important than to injure myself by setting a good time.

Definitely focus on stamina first, especially for your first marathon. Perhaps your biggest training goal, aside from actually being able to cover the race distance, is finding your pace ā€” what you are comfortable running at on the big day. Lock that pace in so you donā€™t get overly excited and go out much faster and then bonk. My wife nailed her first marathon by just sticking to 9:00/mile or 5:35/km through the second half of her training. Alright, with that clear, the advice toofasteddie and I are giving is primarily about your overall health through the training program. Running one speed for that many weeks will be mentally taxing and can lead to overuse injury in some muscles/joints and weakness in others (the two are often related). So doing faster intervals now and then is for maintaining physical strength. It gets you to open up your stride, using wider range of muscles, and also keeps you a little more flexible. And, itā€™s just a change to the routine which is important for your morale. Someday, you might want to try going faster, and then those intervals workouts, which you will have good experience with by then, become your tool for pushing your pace goal. Make sense? We still recommend speedwork even if you arenā€™t trying to run faster at this point. So if youā€™re pace now is 5:00 (which is great!) then just drop it to, say, 4:45 for some 400s. See how that feels. Then the next time try a little faster if it feels good. Feels good is the key at this point in your training and your race goal.

I get what you're saying, thanks a lot! I'll try to work those intervals in when my colleague is not running with me, it's difficult to do something like that when we're together. Thanks a lot!

My pleasure.

Important statement: "try to find your pace" This is the most important, you will finish for sure if you do the suggested volume but the point is How šŸ˜œ

Keep running and don't give up! Valencia is for sure a nice place to do the first marathon, either way you will say: "I have been there!"

Good point, thanks a lot. I'm looking forward to it.

You're an angel @wolfje ! Thankyou for thinking on me! <3 I wish you the best on this marathon! I've always wanted to do one.. but i can't. Hehe. Cheers! And thankyou so much again! <3

You're welcome, you're a good person. Did you see my answer on your post? I'll think of you when I do the challenge.

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