What will the world look like without rich people?
Ok, people still think it is the money that I am upset about.
I can clear that up, right now.
I'm a communist.
No, not a Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara type of communist.
The only reason you even think those people represent communism is because the folks that gave you your #fakeducation wanted you to think that those folks represented communism.
They were all crapitalust, they just wanted the gov't to be the boss, and they were in control of the gov't.
You know, socialism/fascism, the melding of gov't and corporations for mutual support against the rest of us.
Here is a book printed in 1887, long before the dates your faked education let you believe communism started.
Looking Backwards by Ed Bellamy
It details what a real communist society will look like.
It is utopic, not dystopic in nature.
The facts are that the 1% suck up sooo much of the wealth the bottom 20% face hunger.
You can see that play out here on Steem.
They hurried up and pushed through the reward pool rape because the whale experiment was showing the true facts and exposing the whales as greedy f**ks.
The facts now are that if the whales were capped at 500mv all of us would see our votes rise exponentially.
Instead, the 1% are sucking up all the wealth by being the sellers in a pay to play scam.
And victim shaming us because that is an effective tactic to use on the naive.
Those of us that weren't here to learn the math under the n2 think things were always like this, when that isn't the truth.
They keep us from rising by their advantage in the math.
They have so many MV that our's are puny compared to their's.
The thing is that most of the folks that know the difference powered down and left.
Many of those that are still here are now sodomites, they do as the sodomites do.
But not me.
I am not afraid to be openly communist.
I not afraid to call bulls**t on the reward pool rape.
I am protected by the truth. If I was lying they would be only too glad to wipe me out.
I wouldn't be the first they did that to.
They can refuse to vote me up. They can put pressure on the voters that do support me.
If that means I only get a few dollars in rewards from folks who's instincts don't mislead them, and aren't afraid of speaking truth to power, then so be it.
I'd rather be poor and know that mammon won't be getting my soul.
Tyvm.
You got to make your own choice.
Its your soul.
https://www.google.com/search?q=pilgrims+communist+disaster
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Did you look at the sources of those links?
Hardly unbiased.
We dont know what played out, maybe the 'leaders' were banging everybody elses wives and the men refused to work in such a condition.
The fact remains, today is hardly comparable to then.
The only reason robots dont do most of the work now is because starving workers pillage the castles.
Keep working, stop paying.
I think Bradford wrote a firsthand account.
Robots are getting better and doing more work but I doubt they will ever do it all.
What makes you think he didnt hide his warts?
He mustve told the truth because its in a book handed to you by a teacher?
Maybe the real story didnt come out because the dissenters were illiterate?
Or worse, it did come out but was swept down the memory hole.
Somebody has to build the robots that build the robots, so yeah, somebody will have to work.
I say we make the young people do it!
Why would he? From what I know the story does seem factual. I think the pilgrims did have an ideology similar to yours.
lol Like schools would preach against communism?
Maybe the story is true?
Build the robots man the robots program the robots etc. Natural resources aren't completely free either. We might get 50-75% robotic but I doubt we will get much higher than that. Humans have a tendency to be pretty wasteful as well. More robots won't necessarily mean more wealth.
I doubt the full story made it into print, but i wasnt there.
Bums, in such a small community, could have had a devastating impact.
Today, we carry the bums and their supportive bureaucrats.
Better we just carry the bums and the bureaucrats build robots, imo.
Im not looking for wealth, im looking for leisure.
I dont need baubles to be happy, but i would like my time to be my own.
Im prepared to meet a reasonable standard, but this aint it.
I dont want to live in a trailer park and eat cat food, not at the cost of the better part of my waking hours.
Hell, they started taking them when i was five, for petes sake.
From what I've seen in real life anarchocommunism would not work.
What would you do with old people on welfare?
Leisure is simple. Just get a sugardaddy. ;) lol jk
If leisure was your main priority I think you could make it happen. It is nice of you to be so giving though. If everyone was like you I think communism might work. I think you might even be in the minority though and plus there are enough thugs out there to steal and cause problems.
Are you talking about losing your waking hours to school when you were 5? I hope you weren't working at 5 years old.
Nobody over 50 has to work anymore.
They would go on cruises and live jet set lifestyles while seeing doctors for free and not paying for pills.
Did you miss the part about not paying for anything anymore?
Yes, it's always other people that are bad.
It's the other politicians that are corrupt.
If we take your assumption to be true, why is less than 1% of the population in prison?
Yes, but I call it being indoctrinated because they left out soooo much that didn't fit into their agenda.
If i had been working at 5 i would be better off now. I'd still be working in that business, eh?
The quicker a kid learns to support it's self, under crapitalism, the better of it will be.
That vote buying is starting to look like abuse.
Once you get the slider, at 500sp, I hope you show some class and sink or swim on the value the community gives to your content,...
One day you are anarchist, the next day you are a communist, and then the cycle repeats itself.
Who do you think coined the term?
The same people that coined libertarian until it became a crime to be one in france.
They began to use anarchist after that.
Marx bastardized the term.
You would know that, but,....#fakeducation
The people whom call themselves libertarians and the people whom call themselves anarchists oppose communism and applaud capitalism.
The terms have opposed meanings.
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Not originally they didnt.
You are using coopted definitions.
Anarchists pioneered both terms.
The definitions were hijacked to poison the terms.
If you control the definitions of words you control those that use them.
Are communism, socialism and collectivism the same thing, or will you draw the differences?
In Anarchy there is supposedly no government, until some form of tyranny arises out of it.
In communism there is a higher authority.
Regardless of whose terminology I use, what do you mean by communism?
Anything that requires rule by force is off the list.
If you read the histories with that in mind you will notice that rule by force was only off the peoples' tables, never their ruler's.
This contradicts the original premise of the terms, and this fact is convienently lost in the books written by those that took power by force, and control subject matter in the skools.
Rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.
You will notice who is boss as an option, but not having a boss is never on any ballots.
You quite ignored my questions.
You replied but did not answer.
Anarchy is not a stable state and leads to worse tyrannies than the ones which it supposed to replace.
In anarchy there is no higher force to oppose rule by force, and this allows the rise of more primitive forms of rule by force.
There can only be rule by force.
You have to choose a devil.
Harsh but true.
Ask yourself, did your utopia ever exist?
Then give me an example, or explain why it never happened, or existed, but only shortly.
I know why it is unsustainable, and I already posted you a video which answers this, if I remember correctly.
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False, this is a lie perpetuated by those that rule by force.
Anarchy is the mother of order.
This is why we circle the (A).
False, every adult, and child, knowingly rejects rule by force as a means of obtaining one's goals.
Those that try to rule by force are put down.
An attack on one is an attack on all.
More #fakeducation by those that control your sources of information.
I can link you to books from more than 100 years ago that lay this out quite clearly, but you would have to read them.
Again, that is false.
It is a lie perpetuated by those that benefit under rule by force.
Not many people benefit from wars, most just want to raise their children in peace, but those that profit from war wont let them.
They fill their heads with lies generationally because it keeps them in power.
You are a victim of that, as are we all.
Because the crapitalusts bomb them back into submission.
https://listverse.com/2016/06/29/10-instances-of-anarchist-societies-that-actually-worked/
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Conflict exists only when 2 or more individuals have mutually exclusive plans for the same scarce resource. To resolve conflict without violence requires consensus on which individual has the exclusive right to control the scarce resource and which must alter their plans.
Collective ownership is meaningless since saying all parties own the resource does not remove its scarcity and enable mutually exclusive plans to proceed. This is why what's marketed as collective ownership (typically called communism in my experience) is generally implemented as government ownership (socialism). People love the sound of everyone owning everything, but it's a self-contradiction. Preventing and resolving conflict peacefully will always require consensus on principles for establishing which individual owns (may exclusively control) a given scarce resource.
Do you define communism as a particular set of principles for establishing individual ownership of scarce resources?
First we would have to define what scarce is.
You got a particular substance in mind?
All ive found to be scarce is time and it isnt like anybody can give you more of that.
I define communism as working together to attain mutual goals.
Scarce means limited. If a resource is not scarce, no usage of it prevents other usages. Economic scarcity is independent of abundance/rarity. There may be plenty of land available elsewhere for both of us, but land is still scarce because if I decide to build on a piece of land and you decide to plant in exactly the same place, our plans come into conflict. I can build or you can plant, but not both. One or both of us must yield or find our efforts frustrated.
Likewise we can't both eat the same portion of food, or work using the same tool or machine at the same time.
Intellectual property is not scarce. We can both play the same song or build devices of the same design without conflict.
So what do you propose to resolve our land conflict?
Why build more then one need's or plant more then one needs , to gain .... power ? over others ? Why make things scarce true greedy market profit driven structures and laws .
Why not just share ...?
I'm with you, but producing an excess allows population growth that we will need to colonize the planets.
Keep working, stop paying does exactly that, share.
Money is the links in our chains.
Before we consider colonisation of other planet's we should first be able to get there .
you can't sell tickets for a merry-go-round if it isn't build yet . It will only create a long line of angry waiting customers .
And , lol , do you really want our darkness to colonize planets and spread true the galaxy ?
We humans have a long way to evolve , we are no where near the celestial being's we truly are .
If we evolve we might be able to leave the Earth without any rocket's or tech ;-) .
The Earth provides plenty to sustain mankind , but not enough for one man's greed . (Ghandi)
Im with you, but if the theorists have it right, weve been on the moon for 40 years.
Id be happy to retire in orbit so that i dont break my hip.
There's nothing harmful about what you're calling communism, but I don't think it's helpful either. If I can persuade you to work with me in building on the land to attain mutual goals or you can persuade me to work together in planting that's great, but basing a social system on the idea that everyone will just have the same goals and agree on how to achieve them together isn't useful. It denies the problem rather than offering a solution. I expect that what you actually mean by communism is much more detailed than that.
I propose that the right of the first user to own the resource should be respected until the resource is either abandoned or voluntarily transferred to a new owner. If I've already built something and the land and structure are not abandoned, you should not destroy the structure to plant. If you've already planted and have not abandoned the land, I should not destroy your crops and build.
Should two or more arrive simultaneously at a resource all desire to use exclusively, they should attempt to resolve the conflict among themselves through peaceful persuasion. If this fails, they may be able to agree on a mutually respected third party to resolve their conflict for them. When people are unable or unwilling to resolve conflict through peaceful consensus, violence is inevitable as the only means of resolution not dependent on any level of agreement.
The most controversial issue in all of this I think is the criteria for determining if property is abandoned. This is where I most conflict with some of those who call themselves capitalists. I don't think there's a perfectly clean logically derivable answer to this question, but my answer to this is based on the idea that the owner of property should not externalize the cost of determining ownership onto potential new claimants. In the absence of any indication that a resource is already part of another person's plans, there is no obligation to prove that the resource is unclaimed before claiming it.
I dont expect folks to agree on everything, many things will have to be worked out by those involved.
For me to make blanket statements about what they will do is presumptuous, and violates the priniple that they have to work through their own problems.
It appears that we are of the same mind on this.
Fake-education told me about al kind's of savage anarchist civilisations , like native north and south Americans , Australians , Asians and on , that had to be conquered . Wile every first contact in any discoverer's journal is about a happy welcome by local native tribes . Question's from me on this contradiction in western written history where never answered by the fake education i had .
Communism is not evil , the evil comes from the leaders that rule it. Communism is a dream we humans just cant handle .
As anarchy could be a decentralised state of communism .
It would mean that the common spiritual condition must disconnect from power true possession of resources . Learn that one (spirit) is only one , that it will only become 2 as one other (spirit) joins you . The system creates heartless ass-kissers when you can become 10000 as only one join's you .
In a Anarchy there will pop up small community's , some good some bad .
Anarchy is about that balance , creation from chaos , as chaos gives more balance to the Earth then the tipping of the scale to growth safety greed and profit by our centralized governments .
As long as we allow ourselves to be a resource to a centralised power in exchange for a "safe" live , we will not evolve in any way .
We stay domesticated to that power , and eventually behave like life stock , as most already do ...... :-(
equality true anarchy seems like a lost case to stand for .
As all look at me being a lost recourse to there "safe" system , speaking out my vision on these deeply preprogrammed issue's of government controlled thinking .
I stopped apologising for the failing of my government to domesticate me .
I exist as i do , as i want it to ..... in peace , so stop attacking me or my immortal soul fools . I know we don't belong here ;-)
Our cause cannot be lost until we stop struggling to have it.
Rule by force is the disease, who and how are symptoms.
*Mammon I've come to bargain".
No bargains here, playing for freedom.
What do you guess you would do if suddenly all of your posts and comments were worth a lot of money. After that had been happening for a while ... The priced went to the moon. Suddenly.. YOU ARE RICH.
Now what?
Time to give it away, i dont have to have it.
So, the same thing i do now, but more of it.
Id put my nonprofit back into full operation.
And, Id have a bigger microphone to spread the gospel.
Man, you made a great article right there, in fact I agree with practically all of it. But we have to face the fact that capitalism in one way or the other will probably, as always has been the case, be the way to go, because it helps feed one of humanities biggest traits, greed.
Crapitalism exists for the same reasons hardly anybody changes religions, indoctrination of the young.
If the methods were taught in the skools, two generations from now we would see mining in the asteroid belts.
Instead we go on letting the banksters eat children.
We have freedom of expression here in steemit. You can express all that you wanted to say on this platform. No one could stop you and even wipe you out. You have a good principle in life. You're brave enough to expose the truth, that's why I really admire and love reading your post. All of them have great content. Kudos to you sir!
Thank you for your kind words, nice lady!
You are mistaken about the power of whales, ive seen lots of folks get voted into the negative reps.
Their content still loaded to the chain, but you had to search for it, it doesnt show up in any feeds.
And if they wanted, they can make sure you never get another penny from the platform.