My plan

in #steem-engine5 years ago (edited)

It's with a heavy heart that I too am going to say goodbye to Steem. This place has been my home for the last 4 years, and I've spent orders of magnitude more time online with this community than I have with those in the terrestrial space. I've done my best to "Save Steem," but I clearly underestimated Justin and what behaviors he finds acceptable.

I didn't think that he would collude with exchanges to over turn SF 22.2. I was wrong.
I didn't think that he would vote in sock puppet witnesses. I was wrong.
I didn't think that he would vote in human puppet witnesses. I was wrong.
I didn't think that he would blacklist content on Steemit. I was wrong.
I didn't think that he would blacklist authors let alone witnesses on Steemit. I was wrong.

To those with foresight of how he'd behave I commend you.

I don't support any of his actions or choices. I think he's bulldozed Steem. I think of my daughters carefully crafting castles with blocks and time and decorations, and my clueless infant son walking through and crashing it all. Like my daughters who then remove the infant and continue building, that's where I've landed as well. So, I'll build on Hive and I'll put my primary focus towards building on Hive.

There's going to be many that think it's taken me too long to arrive at this conclusion. I move slow. It's in the name Aggroed. It takes a lot to disturb me from the path that I'm on. So, to those that would have preferred faster action it's just not my way. But after steadily trying to reason with Steemit I don't see a positive pathway forward that makes any sense. So, after a month of Justin's reckless choices I just can't see it working here.

I've removed nearly all of my delegations on Steem, and will begin powering down my personal accounts completely. This includes my delegation to Justin. I did it to symbolize that I'd be willing to help him figure out a path that would work, but have rescinded it. I think he's impossible to work with. Fortunately, the majority of the active community is already gathering on Hive. I'll be joining them and focusing on building it.

What about Steem-Engine?

There's a fair number of questions of how to handle this, and I don't think there's any one answer that will satisfy everyone. Where I've landed after watching for a few days is that the infrastructure on Hive will be sufficient to create a "hive-engine." Mostly due to what I see as technical and legal challenges to porting things over from steem-engine I've decided instead to more or less start from scratch on Hive.

To do this I'll leave steem-engine running like it is now. In addition to running steem-engine I'm going to make and operate a hive-engine.

I suspect the new hive-engine will be operational in early April.

If you own a token on steem-engine you will have token names reserved by the same account on Hive for some time. That said you won't actually own the token. We're not porting things over. We're starting from scratch on Hive. Of all the reasons to do it this way I'm leading with legal consequences of trying to operate a dex in the USA. The decision may not be the most popular one, but I'm not going to risk an Ether Delta.

If you own a token or tribe on steem-engine and want to stay on steem there's nothing you have to do.

If you own a token or tribe on steem-engine and want to move to hive one option is to continue having your token live on steem-engine, but have payouts work with hive instead of steem for the base token.

If you own a token or tribe on steem-engine and want to move entirely to hive your token name will be reserved, you can get the token and make it stakable and delegatable, airdrop it as you see fit to users, and alter things around with your existing tribe.

This stuff is a work in progress. If it all goes smoothly I suspect we'll be done in April, but May and June are possibilities if we run into difficulties.

I would like to see the front end for the dex allow at least two markets for trading - Hive and Steem. I could see an additional one for a USD backed stable coin as well since I have an approved federal money transmitter registration. That's a little down stream though. What exactly it'll look like is still up in the air, but I hope to have trading pairs available for custom tokens on Hive one way or the other in April.

Splinterlands

After Hive-Engine exists it's easier to address Splinterlands. Splinterlands relies on trading of Dark Energy Crystals. There'd have to be a sensible way to trade the tokens on Hive if it was ever to move. After Hive-Engine is functional we can assess what else would be necessary to move Splinterlands as well and see if that makes sense for investors and card hodlers.

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For what it's worth, I completely understood your intentions for delegating to Justin. The 'ziplomat' in me would've done the same.

I know you got a lot of flack for doing so, and no appreciative response from Justin. I do think it's true that diplomats are rarely popular, as narrow-sighted people on both sides will almost always perceive their behaviors as some kind of betrayal. It's unfortunate, but common, I think.

I've also made my move to Hive, pulled my delegations (except for minnowsupport and the alliance) and initiated a power-down. I can't abide by censorship. Simple as that.

See you over there, old friend.

When I first came to Steem it was because I'd been kicked off of facebook for literally the 5th/6th time. I found a post by stellabelle. She said I could post on Steemit without fear of censorship. I've done so for four years. When the "flagship" app on Steem is hellbent on approved opinions only... just ridiculous. Literally every decision he's made is so disgusting to my soul.

So, while I believed the empty promises around governance for a while I just can't see this thing going anywhere positive. I'm sure plenty of people can make "I love the Sun" posts and get upvoted by steemit accounts for decent money for a while, but that's not a steem life for those unwilling to bend the knee. Honestly, it's not a life for the guys who will bend the knee either.

See you on the other side. Glad you made the move.



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I can literally read the pain it took to arrive at this point for you @aggroed. Steem has been huge for you and it is obviously hard to let go.

That said, it is good to know when the deck is stacked against you and the only way to win is to not play the game.

Good luck in making the transition, I am sure it will be a lot of hard work, but worth it in the end.



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How are ENG and EMFOUR going to work?

Are you going to make new "HIVE ENG" and "HIVE EMFOUR", or are current ones going over like STEEMp->HIVEp?

Justin betrayed what trust people put in him. I bet he's fuming that we took our ball to play elsewhere. Maybe he can get his Tron fans to adopt Steem, but it has lost a lot of what made it great already. Take your time with Steem Engine. It's an opportunity to make it better on Hive.



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The censorship was predictable, as well as an overthrow of the governance when he was planning to move steem to tron and do a coin swap.
No one really predicted that he would spread ransomware on the exchanges and hack them on a hard fork... Maybe a few people did think it was possible, but unlikely.

Congrats! You're a proud recipient of a hefty downvote from Overlord Sun!

I noticed! It's also off steemit.com. Feel like I've gone full circle. joined because I got censored and left on the same note.

You could have received no better validation...

I'll add this to your "I didn't think" list:

I didn't think he would use Steemit Inc's stake to upvote Return Proposal to the first place in SPS and cut off funding for all community driven Steem projects. I was wrong.

This one is big.

Wow, good catch! This is nothing short of complete autocratic control.



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As well as downvoting on unwanted posts and adding big censorship lists



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i had hopes when Justin joined, even unvoted all the witnesses when softed forked him out.

guess it's his place now. Hi ho hi ho it's off to hive i go.

oh, and thanks for splinterlands - love the game see years of fun for Son and self

This is the absolute correct path. I don't need to tell you this, but given the capricious governance style he has shown, time is of the essence here. I expect to see forks in the very near future out of him to help mold steem in his image or facilitate his exit. In terms of splinterlands, I hope that snapshots are being taken frequently, as a lot of us have invested significant funds in the project and believe in its success no matter what blockchain it lives on. Moving it to a friendly one and not waiting for the hammer to drop is the best move. I look forward to buying some cards on the market in a few days with my newly liquefied steem. Cheers

Splinterlands doesn't have the same legal challenges re operating a dex. That business can operate much more flexibly, but there's a variety of tooling that needs to exist for it to move, and we can assess when it does all exist.

Thank you for the clarifications on the status of Steem-Engine, one of my favorite Steem-based projects, which pushed forward Steem into a multi-token ecosystem.

It's sad that Steemit continued pushing that SMT's would one day come out, without realizing their own community had already made them in the form of SCOT's.

I look forward to seeing you and Hive-Engine on Hive.

Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

It's a lot of effort to cross-post on both chains but I will try that for a bit. I will likely follow where more content is posted.

Big Thx for your reply. I think i will stick around on both chains for time being.

I also figured that you may find this post interesting and worth your time:
https://steemit.com/hive-175254/@project.hope/project-hope-curation-trail-on-both-chains-steem-and-new-hive

It's post published by good friend of mine and I'm helping him to promote their curation trail.