As Steem grows, so does the presence of the trolls
This is what I've been noticing lately. This happened to me yesterday. I had 5 different people respond to me on one thread or another that this had, or was happening to them. This is what's going to end up ruining Steem for a lot of people, if no solution is found.
Yesterday morning, I made a simple post about my bitconnect experience, just as @craig-grant has done, just as @trevonjb has done, and many others. I wasn't expecting a ton of upvotes or comments...just from those who were or are thinking of investing in bitconnect who I had told that I'd keep them informed.
By about 5 o clock yesterday, I had something like 12 upvotes and a bunch of comments. By 530, I had an additional 5 downvotes which caused me to lose all rewards for that post...oh and I received such a nice comment from @steemcleaners informing me that just because I didn't view my post as a scam or spam...others might. Oh really Steemcleaners, a.k.a Mom?! I've heard from others as well about having issues with Steemcleaners being on a power trip lately. Just because someone reports someone @steemcleaners, maybe you should actually read the post before deciding if you think it's spam or not...you know, since your opinion seems to matter so much, which you obviously get off on. Seems a bit ironic that I went all day without getting flagged, then all of a sudden within n half hour (I actually just counted) I received 8 downvotes?! Really?! How interesting. Seems like there's people on Steem that take advantage of it, and if they're powerful enough in Steempower, they can basically control you....that pretty much will ruin steem for me and a lot of other people. I looked into these people who downvoted me...some of them literally have pages that Steem says are unknown. Some haven't posted on Steem ever. None of them are really active, so how does this happen that all of them at once have the ability. I was reading an article done last year by long time user @stellabelle, who was having this same issue. She discussed how muting doesn't really fight this problem, and others confirmed there's just nothing you can do since it's on the blockchain.
How is there not some type of balance of powers? How is it that my article on bitconnect was flagged multiple times, yet porn is allowed on here? Seems like @steemcleaners is on a bit of a power trip. Why does no one monitor this guy? I read articles from at least 10 others who recently quit Steemit because of crap like this, and if this continues, it ruins Steemit for me, and I'll be pulling my 3200 steempower out, and there will be many more behind me.
Apologies for any spelling errors but I'm writing this quick on my phone. Here's a list of all the people who flagged or downvoted my post within a half hour of each other. Check them out for yourselves, and read my previous post. There's nothing wrong with it! It's just information!
@adm
@steemcleaners
@fubar-bdhr
@zathras
@zathras (zathras and zathras, really?! Idiots)
@fubar165
@kutmargo
@blacklist-a (oooooo sounds so scary tough guy)
@kevingwong @papa-pepper @jerrybanfield @dan @ned @sweetsssj am I missing something something? Is there really nothing that can be done about this problem? It's only going to worse and more prevalent as Steemit grows, and I'm pretty sure this is going to drive away many users. I for one would rather have my money in a coin whee this BS doesn't happen, where I can post information about my experience with any altcoin and anything I want...but if it's just part if Steemit, then I want no part if it.
Oh look, I found a picture of Steemcleaners and his army of trolls...
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Eat shit, your'e an idiot
You forgot to call him faggot, fgt.
@adm...I'm going to see you real soon..looking forward to meeting you face to face. Don't think your $700,000 will be much help. Faggot
Petty threats, lololol, I foresee a rage rampage over here, this person is seriously getting butthurt over how his content is curated on the internet, so much so he is willing to make threats about "I'm going to see you real soon..." "looking forward to meeting you face to face" and the other veiled threat of "we'll have a nice chat soon". Hey qe, you forgot to tell him to eat shit and that nobody cares about him. Or that's reserved just for people that congratulate you on your flags and ask if you will let those opinions affect your life, which was a rhetorical of course.
Lmfao. It's funny how highly you think of yourself. I've looked at enough of your posts now to just feel bad for you. You have an over inflated ego, which I'm not sure why. You're not very smart, and pretty much all you do is throw big words around and try to create sentences that make you sound smart. How many people have you called trolls now on Steem? Like 100?! Lolololololol. @baah, the protector of the curation and the leader of all the trolls. You're such a tough guy! You look like a scrawny fuck, sonit must be nice continuing to talk shit hiding behind your keyboard. I wonder if you'd be just as tough in a face to face confrontation? I think not.
Please don't be mean to my little baah baah black sheep :(
You don't defend me, I don't know you, you don't know me even if you think you do. Some would say mind your own, but it's obvious you made it your business to mind me, so I will take you around and show you sights and scenes, I hope you're ready for this adventure and do tag along like your name implies.
Because, after all, yeah the internet is real you know, I have real life feelings about what strangers "feels" or finds funny about me, especially when the stranger is a hypocritical individual that gets angry that people use big words on the internet, the same strangers that claim that they would treat a young kid the same way he'd treat me, what those strangers "feel" about me really matters.
Baah of course you know me, Urma and I have been friends with your mother for decades.
My little Baah Baah Baah Baah Baahrbara Ann do you need a hug?
No thank you, I already have a hug, but you can beg for hugs even so.
Voturbating while being angry at the internet because people can use big words and make sentences that make them sound smart, and because others point out that you are affected by what the internet curates your content as, so much so that you're willing to throw numerous veiled threats around, talking shit and hurling insults while rage flagging and positing "you're not such a tough guy in real life" argumentative drivel.
You just replied 3 separate times and used tour new favorite word vortubatung in every single one. You must be super proud of your big boy word. Congrats on that sweetie pie!
Keeping track of how many times I called you out for votrubating, otherwise known as curating yourself with a self vote?? It must be a fun night wherever you are, if you're so interested in how many times I said a word, hey guess what, maybe next you can crucify me for speaking my mind on the internet, because it hurts your feels and are so angry you resort to threatening people for speaking their mind. Stop hurting me internet, with your big words and sentences that make you sound smart, stop it or I'll beat you up if we ever meat because you deserve it, because someone should punk you out.
Are you 10 years old? Jesus your spelling is terrible. It's meet, not meat. Also, is it possible that I just like to fuck with people? Just because you get a feeling that you know the person by what he writes on the internet and you know if he's angry or happy or whatever, kinda makes you fucking retard. You don't know shit. You just talk and talk and talk.
You sure have a lot of free time on your hands. Must be out of a job? That sucks...I'm guessing that's why your wife is fucking someone else, or maybe cause she doesn't like fucking a little ugly ass troll such as yourself. Im sure you have plans for Friday night, so help yourself in continuing to troll my posts. You put so much effort into it, that if you put the same amount of effort into finding a girl, maybe the next one A. Won't be as ugly as the current one, and/or B. Not cheat on you every chance he/she gets
Throwing insults over the internet and voturbating. You sure think highly of the content you write, curate much?
Lmfao. You think you're real clever with your big boy word you came up with. "Voturbating"? Uhhh yeah that's real clever. You should keep using it, it really helps mask the fact what a fuck tard you are. I'm not sure why you keep thinking I'm threatening you. It's pretty pointless to threaten someone on Steemit considering there's no chance I'd ever meet you. Now...if you actually did want to meet, I definitely would. Might take a while to make it happen depending where you are, but if you're down I'm down. Let me know. Even if you did want to meet, I still wouldn't threaten you would I beat the shit out of you? If I'm being honest, yes...yes I would. I'd try not to, but someone needs to shut you up and I think a good ass whooping would really help.
You're still telling me how you'd try to shut me up and how you're not threatening me, (facepalm*. Is it fun living under the fear that the internet will think poorly of you, I see you stopped voturbating though, does that mean your angry at the internet I will hurt you in real life comment doesn't deserve your voturbation?
I really hate flagger abuse. Flags should not even affect reward IMO. I spam the blockchain everyday with my bot. I run the bot under a different username. My bot's posts have never been flagged. The spam is about a service that uses Steem dollars.
To eliminate spam equally means to make the "steemit" tag empty and the "steem" one only about the blockchain steem. Aren't all of these super popular posts about steem related products also "spam"? Things would be a lot more quiet aroind here indeed without these posts.
I can't agree more about there being spam everywhere on steemit. I see people plug Genesis mining, ICO's and other crypto's all over the place. But certain posts are just downvoted/flagged
If it's spam you should do something about it don't you think? At least leave a comment saying "hey this is spam because it's been posted again by you or someone else here, or this is tag spam because this has nothing to do with these tags, if you continue I will curate it as spam which means your content is getting flagged, in turn curating your account ever so little".
@dan can plug a completely different platform (EOS) and I don't see @steemcleaners flagging him or @craig-grant or @trevonjb or the other dolphins and whales . It looks more like economic discrimination to me. Flag the poor because we are poor and can't fight back. Funny thing is, I used @craig-grant's code to sign up for bitconnect.
I completely agree.... there is something going on with the algorithms that just doesn't "smell right"....
And it seems, by the logic of 'he whom will argue about anything', we little fish are now expected to not only put our necks on the chopping block (commenting views and opinions on posts of users who can easily just "smash" our Reputation and "not censor" our content with just a few of their powerful flags) yet also burn up what precious little voting power we have flagging their spam content. Sure, that seems real fair and legit.
smh
Is this exactly what the creators intended, to have the weak eventually volunteer to give up any value or power they may have accrued battling for fairness and equality in a war with the Whales that they just can't win? To use their "influence" to flag abusers rather than to promote others? Sure seems like it to me.
You need to watch the video that I just posted here. It is pretty clear that Craig Grant & TrevonJB, as well as their BitConnect website are now being exposed as a complete ponzi scheme and they are frauds.
https://steemit.com/steemcleaners/@bi5h0p/craig-grant-and-trevonjb-exposed-for-scamming
Furthermore, stop using the "introduceyourself" tag with your posts. I ran into the same kind of resistance myself a couple of weeks ago. That tag is protected and enforced by people on steem who have much more Steem Power than either of us have - so they make the "rules." I suggest you either follow their rules or invest about $50 K into buying more Steem Power so that you can downvote their posts and tell them what you want them to stop doing to you.
Otherwise, just stop using the tag. That's the generally accepted "rule" by the majority of Steemians and you will be fighting a losing battle.
So I read your post, and thought to myself, that's quiet an abuse seeing @ zathras and @ zatrhas. Obviously the same person.
Then, I thought, I wonder if @ fubar165 and @ fubar-bdhr are also. Then interesting enough here on Beerbot's post and look who upvoted him.
If you look at zathras or fubar you'll see similar voting. Also they all resteem steem cleaner.
I guess one person, one vote doesn't apply here in the steemit world. So you're post obviously was flagged by one person who counts as 5
@thebitcoinparty I see you made a similar post.
Yes, it's called Influence, you gain more by investing into the community, the incentive creates value, the more you have invested into the community the more likely you are to want the community to succeed and in turn your investment, that's why the more you invest the more influence you have the more your vote counts. If you're interested you can ask around, because one vote and one account opens up the system to sibyl attacks, so that the mob of one person's account would rule them all, instead vests are split (SteamPower) based on how much you have in your account.
Autoflagging and what we refer to here as flag wars, are unavoidable realities of people curating content, an expression of their freedom of speech. This platform is designed to be censorship proof, meaning that even if the fronted could (hypothetically) censor the content, the content on the blockchain where the front end gets it's data from, cannot be altered or censored/removed, and the account cannot be "moderated" or otherwise controlled by someone other than the owner themselves, bar lost passwords/ stolen accounts.
What one account has differs from another, and even the base account funded through SteemIt.com and not busy.org, or another front end, where you pay to fund the account, has changed and will continue to change based on the required steem that the account needs before it can curate/post and the value of steem at the time, "one person who counts as 5" is not the point, if you believe that it's not fair, regardless of this being proven/demonstrated for over a year now, you are free to create and distribute your own coin, and base it all off the blockchain we have here, Steem is open source after all. Sitting on steem and crying about how steem isn't fair because one person one vote, is like being invited to a party, there's prizes and cool people everywhere, and because these people made fun of you, crying about these people making fun of you is actually going to do something about anything, those offenders won't listen, and the people at the party are expected to defend you.
Either you get over what other people express themselves like on steem, or you will be the few in the corner whining and supporting each other with "censorship, censorship everywhere", followed by an anthem of "I am a victim".
@queeneleanor
they're all accounts belonging to steemcleaners
only accounts they say, can promote
I was pretty upset yesterday to see that the people in power or higher than us use it to their benefit . They don't really care what we post or anything , they just care for themselves , selfish , yes. We can post the same content and not receive anything , I've seen it
Yeah life's not fair, some people are going to use their investment one way and others will use it how they see fit, it ultimately is their money. If everyone was selfish this place would suck, but you have no hope of reaching people if you don't wish to start on some common ground, by calling them selfish you have removed any conversation to be had with such people, since you've sat a fat sign on your door saying "no selfish people allowed".
Complaining about stuff that you have no power over or that is none of your business, like what other people should do with their influence, will never solve anything or seek to. If you think that you deserve the same response of someone else and are complaining that you didn't receive the same response, it's because people aren't robots, and one might have a larger more engaged audience than another, one might have a certain quality that the other doesn't, the factors that are obvious aside there's who knows how many other reasons why such things happen, but the point is that you either cry about how the world responded to you and pin your self on what others think of your content, or you take ownership over your content and don't build your expectations on other people's work.
Yeah, welcome to the ugly side of steem where money equals power
I agree
flaggin is WRONG
How can you tell if you've been downvoted or flagged? I see my posts lose value, but I thought that happened as the post "aged" or whatever.
On posts, if you click on votes, it will show upvotes with a "+" and downvotes with a "-", then the person's name who did the voting
Oh okay. Thank you.
I actually made a post about the different ways you can tell if your post has been flagged, and if so, who flagged you. You are welcome to check it out on my page, don't want to throw a link into someone elses post out of respect for them.
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