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RE: Have you been flagged by the so called "SteemDefenceLeague"?
I noted 17 of them about a month ago - https://steemit.com/steemit/@remlaps/steemit-sp-delegations-powering-an-emerging-downvote-botnet
They were: marcfrelon2, stormstblogger, steemtwitting, vladimirtopiev, charlesbiters, topfrsteemer, crigmarlo, fongopot, dertluc, magasintop1, geradunlo, worldsteemian, cosmosteemer, nice-steemer, johnrevelator, jeanmaloro, velomasty
For every bot that helps, I see 50 that are disgusting. Has steemit thought about banning bots entirely? Is there Money in flagging? I am new enough I am still learning. It seems like flagging should cost a little money, to reduce those flags to only the most important ones. Maybe the first couple are free, then they begin to cost more. After ten flags, it should get expensive!
Flagging does cost voting power, the equivalent of money. Flag are an important part of curation and people also need to understand just as anyone has the right to upvote you they also have the right to downvote you. :)
These flags are only a matter of hurt feelings, and actually, I hope they do some good by normalizing a few flags.
Most people on steemit will never understand how it all works. Ask @berniesanders.
Inflation is the name of the game. On top of the normal inflation, there is something like virtual inflation of the reward-pool 1 + 1 = 2.
;) b i n g o
I agree with this if someone is using their own stake. However, the accounts I noted were all using 14.9 Steem delegations from the steem account when their own stake was just 0.1 Steem. I don't really think that Steemit should continue to sponsor accounts who use their initial delegations in this fashion. (I haven't checked recently to see if those delegations have been revoked) In fact, I think Steemit should have an automated routine in place to identify possible anti-social flaggers and bring their delegations up for review.
Also, even if someone is using their own stake, I don't think there's anything wrong with the community taking note of accounts who are flagging in an anti-social way. It's all public information. If you enter a downvote, you do so with the understanding that the action is recorded on the block chain in public view.
I agree with this:
You make a good point regarding using steemit, inc's delegation to flag. I hadn't considered that part.
Still, I feel it would be a good culture change to teach new users that flags happen and are a normal part of life on SteemIt, instead of reinforcing the idea that flags are bad and wrong and should envoke a negative response.
They are just a tool for curation and can be used as often as upvotes.
I do appreciate the points you make.
I have found that if people are hurt by what people write, there is usually some truth to the comment.
Normal flagging is okay, but this Turbo Flagging on Steroids concerns me. That is way past what flagging should be!
:(Flagging is just exercising one's influence. I think the system would work better if everyone accepted there are no valid or invalid reasons for flags.
:) I agree some flags are dumb and hurt feelings, but this is how it works.
Posts are open for 7 days, endusers of any size can upvote or downvote for any reason.
Whatever you have left at the end is what is yours.
That is how it works. Which is why I think this round of flagging might be good, so that people get over the strong reaction.
If feelings are a benchmark... it’s better to disconnect and stay offline. ;)
I have looked at several pages/that are flagging. They have no posts, and they are (25) just starting out; so it looks to me like someone started these pages, in an effort to attack someone else, from a hidden position.
Yeah. That is what they did. One does not have to choose to be bothered by it though.
Not bothered, actually kind of disgusted; sad to see how small people actually are.
:'(I joined in July/2016, and the topic of banning bots has been raised repeatedly for the entire time that I've been here. As I understand it, banning bots is impossible, or nearly so. Humans can interact with the block chain at the command line level without using the web site interface, so there's no way to distinguish between a human at a keyboard or programmatic command entry.
Decentralized recaptcha has been suggested, but I don't think the capability exists now, and I sort-of doubt if it's even feasible. Personally, I think that in the long run the good that bots do will outweigh the bad. After-all, things like "Google" and "Facebook" are nothing more than gargantuan Internet bots. Banning bots would just make it harder for entities like that to emerge in the Steem ecosystem.
As @whatsup notes below, flagging is already discouraged by the incentive system. Downvotes reduce voting power at the same rate as upvotes, but they pay 0 curation rewards.
My big problem with these particular accounts wasn't that they were flagging, but that they were doing it mostly with Steem Power that was delegated by Steemit, Inc.
It is hard, but I still think there should be a balance. If you downvote but never upvote, it should push your value down. You are right, steem does hand you a functional package. They are just using that gift on the dark side.
Small people, but there should be some kind of censure, for this poor use.